Tulsa Report Day 2

Coonskinner · #1 01-26-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am saying some of these men claimed they were not going to do the exact thing they are currently doing. They made these claims while planning for a new org was under way.

This is not debatable. It has been verified by many good people.

However, you chose to believe their denials, and still continue to support and uplift these men even though their actions can be viewed as nothing short of deceptive.

Please tell me how you can honestly and objectively chastise men who sign the affirmation statement with no intent to abide by it, while at the same time commending this Tulsa group, who have obviously engaged in unethical and deceptive behavior?

Where is your consistency?

PP, I really have not seen any evidence that these men lied about their intentions.

I think it is entirely possible that there may have been some differences of intent among the original six, that were ultimately worked out and unified in a single direction.

A changed mind isn't the same as a lie.

And as for where my consistency is?

I don't recall ever saying that I was totally without inconsistency. I don't know anyone who is, really. I tend to agree with Emerson on "a foolish consistency."

Nahum · #2 01-26-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

PP, I really have not seen any evidence that these men lied about their intentions.

I think it is entirely possible that there may have been some differences of intent among the original six, that were ultimately worked out and unified in a single direction.

A changed mind isn't the same as a lie.

And as for where my consistency is?

I don't recall ever saying that I was totally without inconsistency. I don't know anyone who is, really. I tend to agree with Emerson on "a foolish consistency."

But isn't that egotistical?

To require consistency and honesty for some, while denying the need for it from others?

Coonskinner · #3 01-26-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

But isn't that egotistical?

To require consistency and honesty for some, while denying the need for it from others?

Brother, I think we would agree that all of us would have an inconsistency or two in our lives if someone wanted to look closely enough.

Not every inconsistency is of the same magnitude as a deliberate deception.

You choose to believe reports that these men were deliberately deceptive; I do not.

I haven't seen any proof of that, just hearsay.

If there is proof, that would be different.

If it exists, I haven't seen it.

And if it is egotistical?

OK.

I have an ego. Never denied that.

I'm not glorified yet.

Nahum · #4 01-26-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Brother, I think we would agree that all of us would have an inconsistency or two in our lives if someone wanted to look closely enough.

Not every inconsistency is of the same magnitude as a deliberate deception.

You choose to believe reports that these men were deliberately deceptive; I do not.

I haven't seen any proof of that, just hearsay.

If there is proof, that would be different.

If it exists, I haven't seen it.

And if it is egotistical?

OK.

I have an ego. Never denied that.

I'm not glorified yet.

LOL

Pressing-On · #5 01-26-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

PP, I really have not seen any evidence that these men lied about their intentions.

I think it is entirely possible that there may have been some differences of intent among the original six, that were ultimately worked out and unified in a single direction.

A changed mind isn't the same as a lie.

And as for where my consistency is?

I don't recall ever saying that I was totally without inconsistency. I don't know anyone who is, really. I tend to agree with Emerson on "a foolish consistency."

CS,
I do want to express one thing because I feel a bit torn. I'm not reflecting so much on any opposing side. I'm just looking back over 20 years and remembering experiences with more conservative churches and those that were not so much.

I found good and bad in them all. I found God in them all.

Sometimes it just seemed that the harder the Conservative the less patient and more judgmental.

Then there were those that were more liberal and you become annoyed because it seemed to trample on the more decent things that we needed to represent as God's people.

So, I'm looking at both and knowing that only our personal desires and relationship will give us direction for our own personal lives and get us to heaven in the end. I can only follow or stay where God leads me. I can't be worried what others are going to do.

StMark · #6 01-26-2008, 12:39 PM

*** News Update **

We will soon know who was voted in as the Supt. of the newly formed So. Cal.Dist.t is happening at 11 am today in San Bernardino pacific time

grace_seeker · #7 01-26-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

*** News Update **

We will soon know who was voted in as the Supt. of the newly formed So. Cal.Dist.t is happening at 11 am today in San Bernardino pacific time

It's 2:19 PM Cali Time.....who was voted in?