Tulsa Report Day 2

[NW Pastor]

There are a lot of lone wolves out there.

I have always found it interesting that those that demand such blind devotion and submission from saints have such a difficult time submitting to any authority other than their own. Or to their wife!

[BroGibs]

So true! all about power!

[BroGibs]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

There are a lot of lone wolves out there.

I have always found it interesting that those that demand such blind devotion and submission from saints have such a difficult time submitting to any authority other than their own. Or to their wife!

NW, they have a lot of Insecurities! they need that control!!!

[connielori]

Originally Posted by Barb

Here I am...LOL!!

Listen, George, you may think you know the facts here, but trust me...you do NOT!!

Here are the facts for the record:

Following the GC of 1979, Bro. NJ Wilson was asked by the powers that be over Harvest Time to become the main HT speaker.

Though Bro. Urshan had been the speaker and yet pastored, 'they' had made the decision that the new speaker not pastor as to devote his time to the broadcast and all that it involved.

Bro. W felt it was the will of God for he and his family at the time and resigned in October of that year...we (the members of South Flint Tabernacle) were devastated.

Bro. & Sis. W stayed in St. Louis about a year when he felt the call to Sacramento.

He did NOT convince anyone to move to CA...no not one!!

Several families did, but not by his urging.

Following his resignation from SFT, I was the first to leave, opting to align with the COOLJC for almost 24 years.

For me, as well as those who moved to CA and TX, the reasons we left were personal.

Those who moved bag and baggage to CA did so because they wanted to continue to sit under his ministry.

Though I disagree with him on many issues, the WPF being one of them, if he were here now, he would STILL be my pastor.

Some people just generate that kind of respect, and for the bystander, it is hard to understand, but I hope this will set your gift of suspicion to rest.

[B]Pastor D and George[,

You would do well to know your facts.....
I am married to one of the ones who moved from Mi to Ca. You are SOOOOO mistaken. Bro. Wilson NEVER has EVER asked, hinted, or 'seduced' anyone to leave MI and follow him to CA.
I sense a whole lot of jealousy, envy, or some kind of bitterness....when people can so freely spew untruths around.
Thank you Barb for telling it like it REALLY IS.
It's so sad to me that these kind of TOTAL LIES can be spread everywhere.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by George

Just as it has taken all this time to get to Tulsa from Houston to organize the WPF, it took time for people to sell and relocate. NW is a very smart man. He knew what he was doing. Saving enough time to get everything in place for starting a church in California. Obviously he influenced those people to leave Michigan and follow.

Originally Posted by Barb

And you were there, sir?!

How many of those people do you PERSONALLY know?!

How many have you broken bread with?!

Trust me that I know whereof I speak...it didn't happen.

I find it unfortunate that so many accusations are being made against N. Wilson when some of those who were DIRECTLY INVOLVED are here refuting their unfounded suppositions.

Amazingly, it hasn't seemed to stop them.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by BroGibs

NW, they have a lot of Insecurities! they need that control!!!

Even the apostle Paul, who was instructed by Jesus in the desert and had fabulous revelations about the Gentile Revival, submitted himself to Elders in Jerusalem. It would have been very easy for such a gifted and charismatic theologean, who had grave differances of opinion over "holiness" issues with Peter, to have taken "his" gentile churches and formed his own "fellowship".

He did not. He allowed his revelations and theologies to be tested and modified by the leadership body of elders. Thus the church remained unified and grew, even in the onslaught of grave political and religious persecution.

I wonder which elders the Tulsa group submits to? Perhaps you reach an age where you become your own elder. Wow!

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by The Dean

I find it unfortunate that so many accusations are being made against N. Wilson when some of those who were DIRECTLY INVOLVED are here refuting their unfounded suppositions.

Amazingly, it hasn't seemed to stop them.

How true. In the words of Joe Friday, "Just the facts, maam." Inuendo usage destroys credibility.

[George]

Originally Posted by Barb

And you were there, sir?!

How many of those people do you PERSONALLY know?!

How many have you broken bread with?!

Trust me that I know whereof I speak...it didn't happen.

You seem to be in attack mode so this will be my last comment to you. Maybe you weren't solicited by NW. As for breaking bread, I am comfortable enough to open their refrigerator and get a drink. You, my dear, are not the sole authority on this subject.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Even the apostle Paul, who was instructed by Jesus in the desert and had fabulous revelations about the Gentile Revival, submitted himself to Elders in Jerusalem. It would have been very easy for such a gifted and charismatic theologean, who had grave differances of opinion over "holiness" issues with Peter, to have taken "his" gentile churches and formed his own "fellowship".

He did not. He allowed his revelations and theologies to be tested and modified by the leadership body of elders. Thus the church remained unified and grew, even in the onslaught of grave political and religious persecution.

I wonder which elders the Tulsa group submits to? Perhaps you reach an age where you become your own elder. Wow!

To answer your question, EVERYONE that signs up as a member of their fellowship are required to have THREE names of ministers to whom they are accountable and answer to on their application - one being their Pastor - and that includes the original 6.

Wasn't that easy?

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by The Dean

To answer your question, EVERYONE that signs up as a member of their fellowship are required to have THREE names of ministers to whom they are accountable and answer to on their application - one being their Pastor - and that includes the original 6.

Wasn't that easy?

Real easy to say, but not so easy to do. There are plenty of folks who call me pastor, and probably you too, who suffer from selective submission. They submit as long as they agree.

Names on a page are a good start though.