Tulsa Report Day 2

Steve Epley · #1 01-28-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

I can't figure out the reasoning in some posts... or some mindsets for that matter. It wouldn't matter what was said or how many angel's wings brushed by that morsel of truth on it's way to inhabit the atmosphere of Earth around us... some are a Master of disputing things that can't be proven.

So far we've learned that...

It can't be a genuine conviction because it's all about 'control'. Doesn't matter that some men really DO have convictions that they live by.
It can't be true that they actually submit to someone. Even if they say they do, well, they probably don't in real life.
It can't really be a move of God there in Tulsa. It has to be the hype of preaching standards that has them worked up into a frenzy.

You know, folks, these men are doing what you folks say can't be done. They are building sucessful Churches along the way. They evidently are doing something right as I've been to most of their Churches and they have Apostolic Church with a real move of God.

I just find it hard to imagine that they are being slaughtered on forums when any legitimate reasoning would tell us that these men all have 'corn in the crib'. It reminds me of a few years ago when the hurricane destroyed our Church and damaged so many homes in our city. Before we left there was a certain faction of people who kept claiming, "There ain't NO hurricane gonna reach us all the way up here!".

But it succeeded in spite of what men claimed.

No, I may not have been in Tulsa but I - and most everyone else I care enough to be around - agree with their right to do what they feel is right. And to judge the motives, claim to know more about their personal convictions then they, themselves, and to claim some discernment over the depth of their submission to a Pastor or spiritual authority... is arrogance of the highest order.

In this, Brethren, we do not well.

Elder thank you. I did not go to Tulsa and have no intention of joining. But these men as great expense and cost to themselves have made this step. Only time will tell the outcome. I wish them well as I do the godly men in the UPC.

Coonskinner · #2 01-28-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder thank you. I did not go to Tulsa and have no intention of joining. But these men as great expense and cost to themselves have made this step. Only time will tell the outcome. I wish them well as I do the godly men in the UPC.

Why, O why, can't this be the prevailing spirit and attitude among us?

RevBuddy · #3 01-28-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder thank you. I did not go to Tulsa and have no intention of joining. But these men as great expense and cost to themselves have made this step. Only time will tell the outcome. I wish them well as I do the godly men in the UPC.

Elder:

I have absolutely said this is a control movement. And I will stick by that. However, at no time, have I commented on the presence of God or the lack thereof. Those who do are foolish...

If you must leave an organization, by all means, leave. Each and every one of us have that right to do so. My comments have addressed only the questionable ethics about the "ways and means" that these brethren have left. Remaining IN an organization while taking premediated action to bring about its hurt, using UPCI data while not obtaining the necessary approvals, fees, etc. and lastly, actively recruiting its membership by letter, personally or by surrogates.

Secondly, when this same resolution (essentially the same, I should say) was defeated at an earlier GC, would we expect and/or endorse similar action should it have been taken by UPCI ministers with the opposing view?

I would oppose on ethical grounds any similar actions, either from the left or the right of our organization. An organization founded on questionable personal or corporate behavior has for itself, an inauspicious start.

StMark · #4 01-28-2008, 10:01 AM

Back on FCF about 2-3 years ago, I told everyone that there was a new organization secretly being discussed & planned.I was laughed to scorn because I didn't have"proof".I don't expect any apologizes from the naysayers who tried everything to make me look like a fool. Does anyone ever admit they were wrong in relation to anything that has to do with this topic?? That's almost a whole nother topic.

Know this, write it down this day that I told you. One day there is going to be something come out that is going to blow everyone away totally out of the water.Unfortunatley a lot of devestated lives. I am right about this you will see.

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Felicity · #5 01-28-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by StMark

Back on FCF about 2-3 years ago, I told everyone that there was a new organization secretly being discussed & planned.I was laughed to scorn because I didn't have"proof".I don't expect any apologizes from the naysayers who tried everything to make me look like a fool. Does anyone ever admit they were wrong in relation to anything that has to do with this topic?? That's almost a whole nother topic.

Know this, write it down this day that I told you. One day there is going to be something come out that is going to blow everyone away totally out of the water.Unfortunatley a lot of devestated lives. I am right about this you will see.
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No doubt. We've already seen this to some extent and on some levels.

As time winds down things aren't going to get better, that's for sure.

TrmptPraise · #6 01-28-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Elder:

I have absolutely said this is a control movement. And I will stick by that. However, at no time, have I commented on the presence of God or the lack thereof. Those who do are foolish...

If you must leave an organization, by all means, leave. Each and every one of us have that right to do so. My comments have addressed only the questionable ethics about the "ways and means" that these brethren have left. Remaining IN an organization while taking premediated action to bring about its hurt, using UPCI data while not obtaining the necessary approvals, fees, etc. and lastly, actively recruiting its membership by letter, personally or by surrogates.

Secondly, when this same resolution (essentially the same, I should say) was defeated at an earlier GC, would we expect and/or endorse similar action should it have been taken by UPCI ministers with the opposing view?

I would oppose on ethical grounds any similar actions, either from the left or the right of our organization. An organization founded on questionable personal or corporate behavior has for itself, an inauspicious start.

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