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Originally Posted by Timmy
I think I do. But just to be sure: are you saying that real truth (i.e., the truth in the Bible) is true, even if there are real world "facts" that do not agree?
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Absolutely in the context of what I said.
2 Corinthians 4:18 tells us that we don't look at that which is seen because it is temporal or subject to change, but we are to look at that which is not seen because it is eternal.
You can look at a "real world fact" the house I am sitting in right now is a fact. But reality is it may not be here tomorrow.
If you have a "truth" given in the Bible and your "facts" disagree you have to believe the Bible. A couple of examples:
Fact: Axes don't float, but we have evidence of it in the Bible - truth has superseded fact.
Fact: Man cannot walk on water, but we have evidence of it in the Bible - truth has superseded fact.
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Is it like I've heard and read before, that logic and faith don't mix?
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Well, yes and no I guess it would just depend upon your definition of what is logical.
To me it is illogical to give in order to get. I'm a money man. I understand credit and debits. That is illogical, but I have found that faith in God's Word supersedes that logic and when I enact God's Word it works.
On the other had it is not logical to jump off a cliff in order to get down the mountain more safely. You can use all the faith you want, but you will probably plummet to your death because there is no promise in the Word that God will protect you when you try to take a shortcut. So now, logic and truth agree.
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And that if experience (or circumstances or reality) doesn't agree with faith (or doctrine or Truth), then faith (or doctrine or Truth) wins?
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You are playing games with words to try and circumvent faith. Take an "experience" that you want to call "reality."
I had a lady once tell me the "reality" of the court system in her efforts to get custody of her children. I told her the promise of God's Word and faith in His ability. Her response, but everyone is corrupt. My response, but God is bigger.
So we can argue all day which reality is more of a reality. She received according to her faith...in other words she lost. Given the same circumstances if it was me I would have won because I am not moved by the circumstances I am moved by the Word of God.
But now we come to "what is truth." Truth does not vary. Truth is not truth sometimes and not truth at other times. Therefore, if God said we are healed and someone dies of sickness then we need to determine if the "truth" of what God said was true or if the "truth" of the circumstances were true.
I take the position that God knows what He is talking about. And if for some reason I fail to live in or receive a promise it is not that the promise was not real, but that I failed in my faith or understanding.
[So if the Bible says 2+2=5, it's
true, even if the
fact is that 2+2=4?[/QUOTE]
Your example is not a good one, because in this example the Bible does not say 2+2=5. But God does say that you will have more as you give more. So I guess God's math is a little different than our math.
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