Someone please define 1 step and 3 step theology! - Page 3

Scott Hutchinson · #1 02-04-2009, 11:31 AM

One step believes that if you place faith in Jesus Christ and believe you are borned again at the point of repentance.
Three step says you ain't borned of water and spirit until you repent,get baptized in Jesus Name and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the physical sign of speaking in tongues,as the spirit gives the utterance.

LUKE2447 · #2 02-04-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

One step believes that if you place faith in Jesus Christ and believe you are borned again at the point of repentance.
Three step says you ain't borned of water and spirit until you repent,get baptized in Jesus Name and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the physical sign of speaking in tongues,as the spirit gives the utterance.

Not necessarily! Repentance to many is seperate from initial faith that saves. Many will even argue one does not have to repent to be saved.

deltaguitar · #3 02-04-2009, 12:29 PM

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Not necessarily! Repentance to many is seperate from initial faith that saves. Many will even argue one does not have to repent to be saved.

hmmm, . . . repentance is a turning away from our sinful nature and turning towards God. This isn't a work but a change in our hearts. I believe repentance is separate from faith but also that true faith in God will result in repentance. We can't repent until after we have faith.

LUKE2447 · #4 02-04-2009, 12:58 PM

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hmmm, . . . repentance is a turning away from our sinful nature and turning towards God. This isn't a work but a change in our hearts. I believe repentance is separate from faith but also that true faith in God will result in repentance. We can't repent until after we have faith.

I do not disagree! My point was in the world of theology to many they are clearly seperate and one can be saved without repentance.

I will say though I have to disagree that repentance is not a work. A response to God is always a work/choice. People are so afraid of the term work it's sad. Different meaning of work and applications! I can say both one is saved by works and one is not saved by works and they both be true. It's what is meant by works and the context. Just like I can say law saves and law does not save.... context

Cindy · #5 02-04-2009, 12:11 PM

I don't have a clue how to define the self defined steps.

KWSS1976 · #6 02-04-2009, 12:56 PM

Ok so the bible lies when it states Elizabeth was filled with the Holyghost?

TRFrance · #7 02-04-2009, 01:04 PM

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Ok so the bible lies when it states Elizabeth was filled with the Holyghost?

Of course not.
It's about context, sir.

Lemme ask you this... using your logic.... does the bible lie in John 7:39 when it says "THE HOLY GHOST WAS NOT YET GIVEN ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. ?

Why dont you deal with that scripture I presented to you? I see you totally ignored it.

It's not about the bible "lying". It's about knowing what a passage means in proper context.

Sam · #8 02-04-2009, 01:05 PM

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Ok so the bible lies when it states Elizabeth was filled with the Holyghost?

No, many were filled with the Spirit under the Old Covenant.
The Apostle Peter said that the under the Old Covenant folks were moved (borne along) by the Spirit (2 Peter 1:21) and that the Spirit of Christ was in them (1 Peter 1:11).

Back then tongues were not mentioned in association with the Spirit's work.
I had a pastor who taught that in the Old Testament the evidence of the Spirit's infilling was prophecy and in the New Testament the evidence is tongues.

KWSS1976 · #9 02-04-2009, 01:06 PM

Ok so John did not know what he was talking about cause he said the holyghost had not been given but elizabeth had it so did john not know what he was talking about?

Sam · #10 02-04-2009, 01:10 PM

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Ok so John did not know what he was talking about cause he said the holyghost had not been given but elizabeth had it so did john not know what he was talking about?

At the time Jesus spoke the words recorded in John chapter 7 the Spirit was restricted to a certain group of people. After the death and resurrection of Jesus, the Spirit would be freely given to whomsoever wanted Him.