Someone please define 1 step and 3 step theology! - Page 5

StillStanding · #1 02-04-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Mr Steinway how would you explain John 7:39?

38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

IMO, This was a prophecy of what would happen in Acts 2.

TRFrance · #2 02-04-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Mr Steinway how would you explain John 7:39?

Sam just explained his position on that verse in post #31 above.

I think he explained it very well actually.

KWSS1976 · #3 02-04-2009, 01:41 PM

So elizabeth did not have the holyghost like the bible tells us according to this..

staysharp · #4 02-04-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

So elizabeth did not have the holyghost like the bible tells us according to this..

She had the Holy Spirit and so did John from the womb and other Old Testament characters, the difference was tongues.

The gift of tongues was given at Pentecost to unite the world through Christ. They heard them magnify and praise God in their own tongue.

The distinct work of the Holy Spirit after the resurrection was to testify of Christ which had come and was visibly gone back to heaven.

The continued work of miracles, signs and wonders through the Apostles was the validation of Jesus' ministry through the Apostles.

Don't let the doctrinists confuse you...lol

TRFrance · #5 02-04-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

She had the Holy Spirit and so did John from the womb and other Old Testament characters, the difference was tongues.

The gift of tongues was given at Pentecost to unite the world through Christ. They heard them magnify and praise God in their own tongue.

The distinct work of the Holy Spirit after the resurrection was to testify of Christ which had come and was visibly gone back to heaven.

The continued work of miracles, signs and wonders through the Apostles was the validation of Jesus' ministry through the Apostles.

Don't let the doctrinists confuse you...lol

Nobody's trying to "confuse" anyone here... I think we've been very straightforward and biblical.

(If you notice, no one here has said she DIDNT have the holy Spirit. Did you notice that?)

And Sam is not someone who most here would call a "doctrinist".

staysharp · #6 02-04-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Nobody's trying to "confuse" anyone here... I think we've been very straightforward and biblical.

(If you notice, no one here has said she DIDNT have the holy Spirit. Did you notice that?)

And Sam is not someone who most here would call a "doctrinist".

A little insecure are we? lol just having some good o'le pentecostal apostolic fun. haha

TRFrance · #7 02-04-2009, 01:46 PM

Amazing.
KS is insisting on pointing out some kind of contradiction... when there is none.

3 different people on this thread so far have pointed that out, but he keeps missing it.
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KS, maybe you should ask your pastor, and see what he thinks.

Jaxon · #8 02-04-2009, 10:28 PM

It's quite easy to see when one initially starts going through posts/threads here that the terms one-stepper and three stepper are bandied about quite frequently.

So naturally you want to know exactly what people are referring to when you see that.

I've even recently inquired myself on another thread. So.......

Three stepper seems pretty obvious. Acts 2:38.....that's what I believe

one stepper: Repentence necessary.....baptism will follow but not believed to be neccessary (then why do it is my question?)....receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues (haven't really figured out what the so called one steppers here believe about that).

Hoovie · #9 02-04-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxon

It's quite easy to see when one initially starts going through posts/threads here that the terms one-stepper and three stepper are bandied about quite frequently.

So naturally you want to know exactly what people are referring to when you see that.

I've even recently inquired myself on another thread. So.......

Three stepper seems pretty obvious. Acts 2:38.....that's what I believe

one stepper: Repentence necessary.....baptism will follow but not believed to be neccessary (then why do it is my question?)....receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in tongues (haven't really figured out what the so called one steppers here believe about that).

It is very necessary - I have not seen a discussion here, where baptism was considered dispensable. The question is rather, "Does God place someone in right standing with Him at the moment of baptism, but not a moment before?"

pelathais · #10 02-04-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

It is very necessary - I have not seen a discussion here, where baptism was considered dispensable. The question is rather, "Does God place someone in right standing with Him at the moment of baptism, but not a moment before?"

John the Baptist gave us some insight here. See Matthew 3:5-12. Here John emphasizes the necessity of a changed life (bring forth fruits meet for repentance...). John warned that only "good fruit" would save the people from the fires of the coming judgment.

He didn't say, "Get in the water to escape the flames..." He said "Produce good fruit to avoid the axe and the fire..." This "fruit" is the fruit of repentance - of a changed and regenerated life.