Sorry Sam, but I’ll have to oppose the Melchizedek doctrine from this "official in a Oneness Pentecostal organization", it will just not fly as presented. Too many problems with its embedded arguments, interpretation of referenced scriptures, stating suppositions as facts, etc. It reads like a man with an agenda who took a position and worked backwards through the scriptures to formulate a support argument for it.
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My pastor, F.E. Curts, taught that he was just a man who recognized the one true God as the Most High. Hebrews 7:3 says he was "without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest forever." So there it says he has no descent but then in verse 6 it says he does have a descent but it is not counted. In other words, he did not have the proper pedigree to be a priest just like Jesus did not have the proper pedigree to be a priest.
Jesus was the first to open up the womb and was considered by the old
Testament to be a firstfruit.
He was just a man. BTW Book of Jasher? Can someone give me the page number in the Thompson Chain reference for that book?
The book of Jasher was referenced by Joshua and II Samuel. Is it a legit book? I'm not sure, but Hebrew tradition says that Melchesedec was the same as Shem, the first born of Noah, as does the book of Jasher otherwise known as "The Book of the Upright".
The book of Jasher was referenced by Joshua and II Samuel. Is it a legit book? I'm not sure, but Hebrew tradition says that Melchesedec was the same as Shem, the first born of Noah, as does the book of Jasher otherwise known as "The Book of the Upright".
It was a legit book, the problem is do we have it today? Did the Jews have it in their canon?
I'd be careful of what Jews say externally from the Torah as they have been influenced by Kabbalistic thinking
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Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine ;he was the priest of God Most High. And he blessed him and said:
Blessed be Abram of God Most High.
Possessor of heaven and earth;
And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delievered your enemies into your hand.
And he gave him a tithe of all.
GEN.14:18,19,20 NKJV
Who was this Melchizedek? Was He A King Over Salem a contemporary of Abram or was He God in a theophanic form ?
I know my father taught this in the Bible colleges.
So nobody knows which is which...if any at all...so why not just as Enoch too lol
Enoch is at least attested back to antiquity. The real book of Jasher (The Book of the Upright) is lost to time. All we have are the planks found floating on the sea after a tremendous shipwreck.
"But howsoever the works of wisdom are among human things the most excellent, yet they too have their periods and closes. For so it is that after kingdoms and commonwealths have flourished for a time, there arise perturbations and seditious and wars; amid the uproars of which, first the laws are put to silence, and then men return to the depraved conditions of their nature, and desolation is seen in the fields and cities.
And if such troubles last, it is not long before letters also and philosophy are so torn in pieces that no traces of them can be found but a few fragments, scattered here and there like planks from a shipwreck; and then a season of barbarism sets in, the waters of Helicon being sunk under the ground, until, according to the appointed vicissitude of things, they break out and issue forth again, perhaps among other nations, and not in the places where they were before."
The book of Jasher was referenced by Joshua and II Samuel. Is it a legit book? I'm not sure, but Hebrew tradition says that Melchesedec was the same as Shem, the first born of Noah, as does the book of Jasher otherwise known as "The Book of the Upright".
Prax's words of caution are good advice on the "Book of Jasher." The books that are available today are obvious forgeries. For example, one claims to have been translated by the great medieval scholar Alcuin into English. The only problem was that Alcuin wrote in Old English and the book in question was written in Middle English. Two very distinct dialects. One that any scholar of Alcuin can spot immediately.
Joshua and Samuel (probably two books that were written by the same hand themselves) reference a book that is now lost. This appears to have tempted some folks over the years to "fill in the gaps" and make a handsome fee for "discovering" the lost book.
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Prax's words of caution are good advice on the "Book of Jasher." The books that are available today are obvious forgeries. For example, one claims to have been translated by the great medieval scholar Alcuin into English. The only problem was that Alcuin wrote in Old English and the book in question was written in Middle English. Two very distinct dialects. One that any scholar of Alcuin can spot immediately.
Joshua and Samuel (probably two books that were written by the same hand themselves) reference a book that is now lost. This appears to have tempted some folks over the years to "fill in the gaps" and make a handsome fee for "discovering" the lost book.
I agree with Prax's caution, thus was the reason I said I wasn't sure. I just read through the book in question, and I thought some of it was interesting although I couldn't say that this was a legitimate work done by anyone we can give credit to. I also read the book of Enoch and I try to use caution with this book. I'd be interested to know why early elders decided that this was not to be canonized.
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