Medical Study Proves Speaking In Tongues.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I mostly study for myself.

I have a few friends I talk to about what I find when I'm studying, or when I need ideas of which direction to go.

So in trying to understand your statement:
"I've read what the Bible says, but there are still too many unanswered questions."
are these unanswered LIFE questions or unanswered spiritual/Kingdom guestions?

Generally speaking, if you study other men/women's opinions they will always propose to "answer some question"...but when it comes to the issues of the individual's heart, they are all just randomly shooting into the shadowy, secret places. We have all seen science, the medical community, the psyhcatric druggies, and the PMA preachers and the infinite number of diet plans....all promise answers to problems but its the rare exception that ever delivers symptom relief...let alone cure or deliverance.

So what resources have you found to be profitable and worthy of your study?

My entire background for rational sequential thinking was formed by the scientific method:
Stating a purpose
Forming a hypothesis
Collecting Data
Organizing the results
Stating a conclusion (with respect to the hypothesis)

That is the exact same way I have approached the reality (or not) of God, the wisdom and potency (or not) of his logos/reymah, the gifts of his Spirit. This whole dynamic that we experience as individuals really can only be built upon the most basic stuff that scripture lays out for us:
But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.[Heb 11:6]
In my understanding, FAITH is initially similar to a HYPOTHESIS, it is something believed (from hearing) that is not yet realized in the temporal/created realm. I am very saddened by so many of my brethren that view FAITH apart from HEARING; as some kind of mental assent or vivid imagination or an enthusiastically repeated mantra of 'asking'.

If an individual runs that experiment a couple of times with an honest heart (not tempting God by demanding some stage performance), God's arrival will be both exciting and somewhat fearful. His reality is both GREAT news and troubling...we just have to be mindful how godly sorrow works repentance, and the more repented our lifestyle choices are, the further we move away from the scary aspects of a righteous God.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by tbpew

So in trying to understand your statement:
"I've read what the Bible says, but there are still too many unanswered questions."
are these unanswered LIFE questions or unanswered spiritual/Kingdom guestions?

I was referring specifically to speaking in tongues.

Originally Posted by tbpew

So what have you found profitable and worthy of your study?

I study a multitude of things. But mostly I try to sort out the Bible. I'm learning Hebrew, very slowly, and intend to learn Greek.

Originally Posted by tbpew

That is the exact same way I have approached the reality (or not) of God, the wisdom and potency (or not) of his logos/reymah, the gifts of his Spirit. This whole dynamic that we experience as individuals really can only be built upon the most basic stuff that scripture lays out for us:
But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.[Heb 11:6]

Seems like a decent method, for the most part.

This puzzles me. Without faith, well what is faith? Blind faith? Believing something that you have cause to believe? Believing something that's impossible? What?

Rewarder of them that diligently seek him? What kind of reward? And why do I want it?

Originally Posted by tbpew

If an individual runs that experiment a couple of times with an honest heart (not tempting God by demanding some demonstration performance), God's arrival will be both exciting and a somewhat fearful. His reality is both GREAT news and troubling...we just have to be mindful of godly repentance that can take us further and further away from the scary aspects of a righteous God.

That thought truly terrifies me.

Repentance? What does that really mean anyhow? And how is that going to take us further from a the scary aspects of a righteous God?

I know what repentance is, but I have never really been able to work out how that applies to real life. Are you referring to telling God "I'm sorry", or the gut wrenching sobs or the act of changing behavior? Or something else?

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

I was referring specifically to speaking in tongues.
thanks, I will revisit my thinking with this info.



I study a multitude of things. But mostly I try to sort out the Bible. I'm learning Hebrew, very slowly, and intend to learn Greek.



Seems like a decent method, for the most part.

This puzzles me. Without faith, well what is faith? Blind faith? Believing something that you have cause to believe? Believing something that's impossible? What?
FAITH is the most crazy, mishandled, randomized word in our PENTECOSTAL speak....and this REALLY does makes my heart ache.

FAITH is an experience with the SPIRIT's utterance, the Spirit's counsels...it primarily involves what we would call HEARING but it can certainly be experienced as a SCENE (seeing). The problem for most of the world is they are NOT SEEKING to know or HEAR anything from God so they DON'T!

Faith is a transaction; a creature in the temporal realm experiences a witness within another realm; some REALITY is heard (or seen) from within the Spirit realm. You do not make this stuff up. YOu do not call it down from heaven. It is not anything like wishing upon a star; no click of heels together, no vain repetitions will do anything to conjure a response. But you will be involved in seeking or asking because you are wonderfully made as a free will creature.


Rewarder of them that diligently seek him? What kind of reward? And why do I want it?
Because you have already confessed to having questions. Our lives are filled with various desires to experience and to explore. God will meet us at some place where our desire has taken us. God wants us to know that he EXISTS and he is ABLE to AFFECT our world when we ask him to!


That thought truly terrifies me.

Repentance? What does that really mean anyhow? And how is that going to take us further from a the scary aspects of a righteous God?

I know what repentance is, but I have never really been able to work out how that applies to real life. Are you referring to telling God "I'm sorry", or the gut wrenching sobs or the act of changing behavior? Or something else?

Each of us have an opportunity to be reinvented as God reshapes our lives by reshaping our heart's desires. A change in our heart's desires (appetites) is repentance. Saying your sorry may be an evidence of godly sorrow but it is NOT repentance.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by tbpew

FAITH is the most crazy, mishandled, randomized word in our PENTECOSTAL speak....and this REALLY does makes my heart ache.

FAITH is an experience with the SPIRIT's utterance, the Spirit's counsels...it primarily involves what we would call HEARING but it can certainly be experienced as a SCENE (seeing). The problem for most of the world is they are NOT SEEKING to know or HEAR anything from God so they DON'T!

Faith is a transaction; a creature in the temporal realm experiences a witness within another realm; some REALITY is heard (or seen) from within the Spirit realm. You do not make this stuff up. YOu do not call it down from heaven. It is not anything like wishing upon a star; no click of heels together, no vain repetitions will do anything to conjure a response. But you will be involved in seeking or asking because you are wonderfully made as a free will creature.

So it's all the things that I can't discount. All the experiences that have no other explanation. It's all the things I think on and the reality of the impossibility is almost too much to consider.

Originally Posted by tbpew

Each of us have an opportunity to be reinvented as God reshapes our lives by reshaping our heart's desires. A change in our heart's desires (appetites) is repentance. Saying your sorry may be an evidence of godly sorrow but it is NOT repentance.

Ok.

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you know Sis. Nahkoe, I believe that you are honestly searching out the scriptures and really do want answers. On the same note, I think we just have to keep in mind that our ways are NOT God's ways, we are not going to understand everything we read, the gospel as a whole cannot be logically and scientifically explained. What would be the purpose of faith? Most of it we can by studying and hearing the preached word of God. Prayer along with your study is absolutely essential, else we fall into false doctrine. I don't believe when it comes to faith and rewards that we should question why should I believe or why should I want the reward.. The bottom line is that He died for us and has given us a chance to have new life and believe His promises by faith, instead of demanding a sign our part is to just believe. If we are not even open to something, we won't experience all that God has for us, He is still a gentleman. Yield yourself, and the questions will be answered in time if you have the faith!