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03-06-2010, 10:11 AM
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Re: Is it Ethical?
Did Jesus lie, stretch the truth or cover Himself with the word "yet";
John 7
1After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
2Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
3His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5For neither did his brethren believe in him.
6Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
7The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
11Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
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03-06-2010, 09:12 PM
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Re: Is it Ethical?
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Did Jesus lie, stretch the truth or cover Himself with the word "yet";
John 7
1After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
2Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
3His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5For neither did his brethren believe in him.
6Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
7The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
11Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
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03-07-2010, 08:37 AM
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Re: Is it Ethical?
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Hello ILG,
Jesus' brethren were suggesting he attend the feast itself. It appears he did not go up to Jerusalem to observe the feast, but to teach (vs. 14). So, his statement "I do not go up to this feast...(NASB)" was true.
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03-07-2010, 08:50 AM
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Re: Is it Ethical?
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Hello ILG,
Jesus' brethren were suggesting he attend the feast itself. It appears he did not go up to Jerusalem to observe the feast, but to teach (vs. 14). So, his statement "I do not go up to this feast...(NASB)" was true.
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I'm not hiding any Jews. (They are hiding themselves.)
There are no Jews in this house. (They are in the shed.)
I didn't make $55,000 on the sale of that business. (My wife did.)
Lots of statements are true. Jesus made a true statement, but He seemed to say what He wanted to say because He figured what He intended to do was none of their business, right? He never told them what He was going to do. He left them to believe He was not going up to the feast and then went up in secret.
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03-09-2010, 09:31 AM
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Re: Is it Ethical?
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Originally Posted by ILG
Did Jesus lie, stretch the truth or cover Himself with the word "yet";
John 7
1After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
2Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
3His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
4For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
5For neither did his brethren believe in him.
6Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
7The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
8Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come.
9When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
10But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.
11Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he?
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I'd say He covered Himself with the word "yet", and the fact that He waited until they had gone. Still, it was deceptive. Apparently He stayed in the shadows at the feast, because the Jews couldn't find Him.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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