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Old 09-15-2008, 07:02 PM
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Re: Is This Blasphemy - Washington Post?

Glad my post finallyended up in the correct place..
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:24 PM
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Re: Is This Blasphemy - Washington Post?

When did God need defending?

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Old 09-15-2008, 09:18 PM
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Re: UPC answers Washington Post cartoon

Tongues are overrated anyway. It is a verbal evidence the Holy Ghost. Speaking in tongues won't save you any more than Steve Epley wearing a toupee makes him a hippie.

I can understand Jerry Jones jumping to the defense of tongues. I've recently came to the realization the upci is more interested in stuff that shows up on the outside than the change that happens in the heart. If the upci put as much emphasis on repentace as they do about skirts, hair and tongues, oh my, they may crack the 3/4 million constituency mark of tongue talking believers.

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Was unable to paste cartoon. Myself as well as many other ministers have responded to Washington Post.

Reverend Jones Secretary of United Pentecostal Church International Responds to Cartoon. See below the cartoon.

Talk about borderline blasphemy - this "cartoon" is the epitomy of it. If this had been written about an aspect of the Muslim religion the WashPost writer would have death threats against him. Below the pathetic joke is a letter written by Bro Jones from UPCI headquarters to the Washington Post. Pray for our nation and VOTE MCCAIN-PALIN IN NOVEMBER!
A Message from Jerry Jones:

Dear Sir:

I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw the long-denied political bias of the editorial board of the Washington Post confirmed by the highly offensive cartoon by Pat Oliphant published on September 9th. I was shocked to discover the board also holds a religious prejudice as well. To single out those of us who are Pentecostal and revere as well as practice the Scriptural experience of speaking in tongues in such a calculatedly offensive way is disgusting. That it was published by a leading U. S. newspaper is beyond belief. Quite obviously the board's phobia of Governor Palin has caused it to lose its senses as well as its decency. To attack her on the basis of her political positions is certainly within your right, but to attack and ridicule her solely on the basis of her faith, a faith that is practiced by a significant number of Americans is indefensible.

A response by the millions of Pentecostals both in their future choice of reading material as well as at the polls can be expected from this unprovoked attack on a belief than spans many denominations of Christianity.

If such a deliberate disregard of the sincerely held beliefs of a significant segment of our population is fair game in the pursuit of a political agenda, how can the already tattered reputation of the traditional press in our country be rehabilitated? Your abrogation of your responsibility to respect and exhibit at least a minimum sensitivity toward other's beliefs relegates the fabled Washington Post to the sorry company of yellow journalism rags of the past.

I urge the editorial board to issue an immediate apology to the millions offended by this silly and disgusting cartoon.

Sincerely,


Jerry Jones
General Secretary
United Pentecostal Church International
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:34 PM
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tongue in cheek?

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I don't see it as a pot shot at Pentecost, ALL of Pentecost. Palin is a Trinitarian. That means her tongues aren't real anyway.


Bro....in the judgment, you'll see that I've not been out to Moveon.org or any other site. I'm just voicing my opinion. This is one reason why I'm not welcomed in the Apostolic Church....I'm an independent thinker. And trust me...liberals hate me just the same because I call them on stuff when talking to them too.



Bro....that's both sides of the poltical isle. Particians really are facinating because they're always exhibiting blind loyalty.
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Bro....in the judgment, you'll see that I've not been out to Moveon.org or any other site. I'm just voicing my opinion. This is one reason why I'm not welcomed in the Apostolic Church....I'm an independent thinker. And trust me...liberals hate me just the same because I call them on stuff when talking to them too.
Oh please. Spare us.

You are overwhelmingly more critical of conservatives and their politics, than you are of liberals and their politics. Even Stevie Wonder could see that.
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Bro....that's both sides of the political isle. Partisans really are fascinating because they're always exhibiting blind loyalty.
And you're not a left-wing partisan? And you don't usually display blind loyalty to the left-wing position?
You're trying to imply that you're some kind of objective non-partisan? Now that's funny.

....brings to mind that old saying: "don't pee on my leg and tell me its raining!"
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:31 PM
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where is your letter to them that is less "bombastic and whiney"?
maybe it will get a better response from them.
i wouldn't waste my time throwing my pearls before swine.
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i wouldn't waste my time throwing my pearls before swine.
Somtimes, you have to make a stand, even if it seems bombastic and whiny. I'm sure that Shamgar was criticized for fighting so hard over a meager field of beans too, but somewhere along the line, you have to put your foot down.

I can let a lot of things go, but this one stuck in my craw, as well. I emailed the editors personally, as have many others.
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Old 09-16-2008, 09:47 AM
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Somtimes, you have to make a stand, even if it seems bombastic and whiny. I'm sure that Shamgar was criticized for fighting so hard over a meager field of beans too, but somewhere along the line, you have to put your foot down.

I can let a lot of things go, but this one stuck in my craw, as well. I emailed the editors personally, as have many others.
that's cool, if you think it's worth doing. jesus didn't worry too much about what other people thought of him and his methods. he just went about doing his business.

i think the letter was poorly written. jj failed to consider the wp's point of view as it concerns people who speak in tongues. his letter came across as way too aggressive, too emotional, way too defensive, and way too...well, bombastic. jj, or anyone else who chooses to write to wp, would do well (imo) to read Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" before they write their letters to the editor and remember that a soft answer turns away wrath. This kind of letter only reinforces the negative image that the wp has of tongue talking people. I'm surprised that a high profile leader like jj wasn't more measured. I would hope that a man of his stature would regret the tone of his approach.

it would be good to remember as well that the wp's main objective is to make money, and they do that by selling news. they love this sort of uproar cuz it tells them that more people are reading their news and they're making more money. plus, the more vitriol that comes in the higher the wall between us grows and the happier they are. If we turn the other cheek and express ourselves in kindness, gentleness, and meekness it has a more likely chance of influencing them than letters of this sort.
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that's cool, if you think it's worth doing. jesus didn't worry too much about what other people thought of him and his methods. he just went about doing his business.

i think the letter was poorly written. jj failed to consider the wp's point of view as it concerns people who speak in tongues. his letter came across as way too aggressive, too emotional, way too defensive, and way too...well, bombastic. jj, or anyone else who chooses to write to wp, would do well (imo) to read Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" before they write their letters to the editor and remember that a soft answer turns away wrath. This kind of letter only reinforces the negative image that the wp has of tongue talking people. I'm surprised that a high profile leader like jj wasn't more measured. I would hope that a man of his stature would regret the tone of his approach.
I didn't really see a problem with his letter. He was mad as many of us were.
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I personally thought it was a very unprofessional letter.
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