Tulsa Report Day 2

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Does anybody know if an actual membership session was held at the end of the night as was indicated on their schedule? If so, what was the response?

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

Not yet? I want to see what will happen at Branson!

Since you were there, could you answer my question above. Thanks.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

Not yet? I want to see what will happen at Branson!

So it was SOOOOOOOOOO good that you just can't get yourself to join yet?
IF this movement has as you put it, the fingerprints of God all over it why the delay?
Still doubting? Still not convinced?
I think if you saw the finger prints of God all over something, one wouldn't hesitate to join.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

So it was SOOOOOOOOOO good that you just can't get yourself to join yet?
IF this movement has as you put it, the fingerprints of God all over it why the delay?
Still doubting? Still not convinced?
I think if you saw the finger prints of God all over something, one wouldn't hesitate to join.

Perhaps, our new friend Poc is waiting till Branson to watch the dress code at Silver Dollar City!

[PocatelloApostolic]

I will say this though. I think that, over a period of 1-2 years there will be alot more that will be leaving not only the UPC but also other org's especially if this group keeps the spirit that has prevaded in this meeting!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

I will say this though. I think that, over a period of 1-2 years there will be alot more that will be leaving not only the UPC but also other org's especially if this group keeps the spirit that has prevaded in this meeting!

You sound absolutely giddy at the prospect of them raiding the UPC of its members.

If they can pull most of the conservatives out of the UPC that has kept it from being a powerful relevent force in carrying out the Great Commission I say "More Power to 'em!".

Give them a year or two and they will be fussing and fighting among themselves over so called "holiness" issues. The guys allowing 3/4 sleeves will be the new targets, the "libs" of that org. Not to mention the few that use the internet and video.

[NW Pastor]

I am not as interested in what is said as what is done. The Tulsa 6 have told brethren they do not have to leave the UPC to be a part of this new "fellowship" which will allow them to form a competing organization within an organization complete with a foreign missions, home missions, youth, education, SS, and ladies department, and even bible quizzing. They can fellowship each other and ostracize the rest of the UPCI.

Again, why stay UPC? There will be no end to the friction as the two camps drift apart fellowship less and disagree more.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. How the leaders think we can peacefully co-exist is beyond me. It will not happen. There will be a new organization completely separate from the UPCI in time. It does't even take a prophet to predict it.

So again, I don't care as much about what is said in the pulpit by the master orators of the Tulsa 6. The are careful word crafters. What will be the results of the decisions that are made?

[George]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

I am not as interested in what is said as what is done. The Tulsa 6 have told brethren they do not have to leave the UPC to be a part of this new "fellowship" which will allow them to form a competing organization within an organization complete with a foreign missions, home missions, youth, education, SS, and ladies department, and even bible quizzing. They can fellowship each other and ostracize the rest of the UPCI.

Again, why stay UPC? There will be no end to the friction as the two camps drift apart fellowship less and disagree more.

A house divided against itself cannot stand. How the leaders think we can peacefully co-exist is beyond me. It will not happen. There will be a new organization completely separate from the UPCI in time. It does't even take a prophet to predict it.

So again, I don't care as much about what is said in the pulpit by the master orators of the Tulsa 6. The are careful word crafters. What will be the results of the decisions that are made?

Dora said it well on another thread - something to this effect.
If they straddle the fence very long they will get mighty sore.

[NW Pastor]

I grieve for the loss of great men in our midst. However, we have already lost them. James said that men went out from us because they were not of us.

Many of the men at Tulsa have already formed associations that shut out others in the organization, even to the extent of sponsoring alternate youth camps and such like.

As dissapointed as I am about the loss of community, I have this vain wish that the men in leadership of the WPF be forthcoming about their intentions.

They will be out in time, because they have already left in the heart.

[connielori]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

I grieve for the loss of great men in our midst. However, we have already lost them. James said that men went out from us because they were not of us.

Many of the men at Tulsa have already formed associations that shut out others in the organization, even to the extent of sponsoring alternate youth camps and such like.
As dissapointed as I am about the loss of community, I have this vain wish that the men in leadership of the WPF be forthcoming about their intentions.

They will be out in time, because they have already left in the heart.

I am from California, and can tell you first hand....*I refuse to go into details, (don't agree w/mud slinging) but we are ones that have looked for other alternatives. Not to shut anyone out....no one was excluded. Just HAD to. Drastic changes caused it.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by connielori

I am from California, and can tell you first hand....*I refuse to go into details, (don't agree w/mud slinging) but we are ones that have looked for other alternatives. Not to shut anyone out....no one was excluded. Just HAD to. Drastic changes caused it.

With respect, whenever I hear something like this I find that the "drastic changes" never even happened. Maybe you are sincere, but this just strikes me as the kind of "competitive holiness" that is so insidious.

This sounds like Steadfast's accusation about "UPC" homosexuals "shacking up without ever even backsliding." Didn't happen. Pure and simple.

In fact, the only instance of tolerating homosexuality within the UPC that I ever knew to exist involved an on-again-off-again "Tulsa Coordinator."

Once again we see the Tulsa apologists and their "great spirit" and just how they take the "high road." Innuedo, half-truths and outright fabrications.

They did this after Youth Congress and they did this after General Conference. Just because they managed to forgo the constant character assassination for a few hours last week they want us to believe their rant about their "pure motives" and "right spirit."