My point is that VERY, VERY few pastors, if any, who believe in receiving ALL the church's tithes, report it and pay taxes on it. They are lying and deceiving.
Strong words.
How do YOU know?
I'd be willing to accept what you are saying if you told me how many churches and/or pastors make you privy of their finances, and then what number of those behave as you say they do.
It's sort of a "trust, but verify" thing. It's just a question. It's not an attack. I only attack people I know. . . .
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This is exactly what some have been trying to say.
But if those who believe that it REALLY should go to the pastor, then it's just "tough noogies" for the church!! They'll just have to cough up some more money to pay the bills!
I do know of one pastor specifically that does take all the tithes. It's a small church.
They are supposed to pay taxes on what they RECEIVE. If a pastor receives ALL of the tithes in say a 500 family church, with the average family tithing $5k, that would be, 2.5 million $$.
My point is that VERY, VERY few pastors, if any, who believe in receiving ALL the church's tithes, report it and pay taxes on it. They are lying and deceiving.
If they believe it, that is fine. Just be consistent and claim it and pay taxes on it.
Firstly I am NOT a cheat NOR a liar and resent that neither am I a hireling that is afraid of my shadow. But to set the record straight the tithe belongs to me that does NOT mean I take them all. I set my salary and pay taxes on that amount and I am set up according to IRS laws. NO church board designates my salary I do that however the trustees do know what I am paid and my living expenses. IF the board sets my salary then I am their employee I am NOT their employee GOD alone is my employer. The Holy Ghost makes overseers in the church NOT some church board. Muzzle NOT the ox Paul said a preacher who salary is set by a church board is muzzled. The ox is free to eat unmuzzled and if he eats too much he pays for it. That is THE BOOK. The levites lived of things of the Temple(the tithing chamber) and levites oversaw it NOT laymen. Most Pentecostal churches have an Eliashibib who is afraid of his shadow for a pastor and Tobiah is dolling out the salary. But A real MAN of God THREW him out and put the levites back in control. Neh. 13 read it and weep!
This is exactly what some have been trying to say.
But if those who believe that it REALLY should go to the pastor, then it's just "tough noogies" for the church!! They'll just have to cough up some more money to pay the bills!
It's one thing to declare the ideal situation, where every wage-earning family contributes 15% or more of their gross income, 10% tithe going to the pastor and 5% offering to run the church and everything else. It's another story when a pastor has to decide whether to cash his check or keep the pipes from freezing in the church.
Pessimists and Realists are simply Optimists and Idealists with experience. We need a "smirk" smiley for when I say things like this.
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Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
Firstly I am NOT a cheat NOR a liar and resent that neither am I a hireling that is afraid of my shadow. But to set the record straight the tithe belongs to me that does NOT mean I take them all. I set my salary and pay taxes on that amount and I am set up according to IRS laws. NO church board designates my salary I do that however the trustees do know what I am paid and my living expenses. IF the board sets my salary then I am their employee I am NOT their employee GOD alone is my employer. The Holy Ghost makes overseers in the church NOT some church board. Muzzle NOT the ox Paul said a preacher who salary is set by a church board is muzzled. The ox is free to eat unmuzzled and if he eats too much he pays for it. That is THE BOOK. The levites lived of things of the Temple(the tithing chamber) and levites oversaw it NOT laymen. Most Pentecostal churches have an Eliashibib who is afraid of his shadow for a pastor and Tobiah is dolling out the salary. But A real MAN of God THREW him out and put the levites back in control. Neh. 13 read it and weep!
No but it was Paul who used the principle in 1Cor.9:7-14
Verse 14 says EVEN SO or in the same manner. What manner verse 8
".....they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple..."
That was the tithing chamber.
GOD ORDAINED THAT so Paul said. Dan I like you but you don't have the status of Paul I hope that doesn't offend you.
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