Tulsa Report Day 2

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

How is my post troubling?

I am not trying to be vicious here, I just don't think that entire conversation should be swept under the rug.

I was banned over that event.

I took my punishment - no problem.

I just think there is an issue that is being overlooked here.

Does anyone on this forum believe for one minute that there will not be a new, totally separate organization which will arise from the WPF "fellowship"? All of this blather over who said what when gets a little tiresome. There will be a separation. Period.

[SavedLou]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Does anyone on this forum believe for one minute that there will not be a new, totally separate organization which will arise from the WPF "fellowship"? All of this blather over who said what when gets a little tiresome. There will be a separation. Period.

imho...one good look at the website and you would have to be blind to think otherwise.

[Weary Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

From what I understand-
It is a fellowship with no credentials. One does not have to leave behind the UPC to be a member.
Your post is troubling.

see Post #239 from Coonskinner.

All of this talk about being at peace with the UPC sounds good politically,but if it was really true,why are they making their young people break all ties with their friends from other UPC churches?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Diamond Jim

All of this talk about being at peace with the UPC sounds good politically,but if it was really true,why are they making their young people break all ties with their friends from other UPC churches?

Interesting comment.That has been a common conversation of late.
anyone else know about this or have facts, stories,etc ?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by StMark

Interesting comment.That has been a common conversation of late.
anyone else know about this or have facts, stories,etc ?

I know I've heard it and if that's true, then I find it hard to believe that they will try too hard to continue their relationships with other ministers.

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

Interesting comment.That has been a common conversation lately of late.
anyone else know about this or have facts, stories,etc ?

First hand knowledge - several very conservative young people in my relative's church friendship has been cut because they remain in a UPC church.

There was a post on ABN Global by a young man who was crying because his girlfriend broke up with him because he attended a UPC church.

A pastors daughter received a call from a Tulsa bound church youth asking her whose side she was on. The young person informed her if she chose the UPC they could not be friends.

Out of two or three witnesses.....

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I have a question for Steadfast and Coonskinner.

Why do you continue to support these men in this endeavor?

Why aren't you condemning them for their deceptive behavior?

I still remember (last October) when both of you claimed a new organization wasn't being formed. That you had been told it would not happen by some of the same men who are now a part of this group.

I think your integrity is in question here. Your bias is evident, and it's troubling.

You both think nothing of questioning the honesty of men who sign an affirmation statement with no intention of abiding by it.

Why then do these men get a free pass from both of you?

BTW, I think both of you are fine men, I just don't understand the blatant double standard.

Please respond sincerely, as I am tired of hearing how "great" these men are, and what a "great spirit" they all have.

I just don't buy it.

I am disappointed in you, PP...for what it is worth, very disappointed.

On the one hand you say that Steadie and Coonskinner are fine men, but you question their integrity.

They are two of the finest men I have never met...what has happened to you?!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Barb

I am disappointed in you, PP...for what it is worth, very disappointed.

On the one hand you say that Steadie and Coonskinner are fine men, but you question their integrity.

They are two of the finest men I have never met...what has happened to you?!

Barb, don't take this the wrong way, but I really couldn't give a flyin' fajita if you are disappointed in me.

Furthermore, I did not say they had no integrity. I believe the opposite is true.

That's why I continue to be amazed at the obvious double standard.

CS and I are friends. I love and appreciate him. I just wanted to know how he can continue to defend this.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Barb, don't take this the wrong way, but I really couldn't give a flyin' fajita if you are dissapointed in me.

Furthermore, I did not say they had no integrity. I believe the opposite is true.

That's why I continue to be amazed at the obvious double standard.

CS and I are friends. I love and appreciate him. I just wanted to know how he can continue to defend this.

You have changed, PP...

And for the record, you DID say their integrity was in question.

Carry on...

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Barb

You have changed, PP...

And for the record, you DID say their integrity was in question.

Carry on...

Thank you for your analysis Barb.

Yes, I have changed. I become more and more independent-minded as the years go by. I no longer believe everything leadership says unless there is a proven record of trustworthiness.

And Barb, I have many good role models who completely agree with me on this, including leaders in the org I am a part of.