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Old 08-20-2007, 11:15 PM
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1 Tim 1:17

1 Tim 1:17- Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

to get physical out of this is building a strawman as they say..this is Paul describing God..
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Old 08-20-2007, 11:20 PM
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Do you believe the physical body will be resurrected?


Acts 2:31 - He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

1st Cor - 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 - For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Anyhow, I thought it was neat about Jesus' body not seeing the corruption of going back to dust as ours do and our Spirit that resurrects with Him and not our bodies.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:22 PM
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1 Tim 1:17- Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

to get physical out of this is building a strawman as they say..this is Paul describing God..
That is nto a strawman. A strawman argument is an argument that is taken from another opponent of one's belief and twisted, so as to render one more capable of defeating the others' argument. Since the others' argument cannot be defeated, one twists it and responds to the distortion rather than the actual argument to make one look like one won the debate.

And you say Jesus cannot be invisible with a physical body????

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Joh 20:26 KJV And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
He appeared and disappeared, brother.

And, anyway, God has ALWAYS BEEN INVISIBLE for eternity! You be out of context.
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Old 08-21-2007, 05:24 PM
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Anyhow, I thought it was neat about Jesus' body not seeing the corruption of going back to dust as ours do and our Spirit that resurrects with Him and not our bodies.
Our spirits resurrected with Him the MOMENT WE WERE SAVED.

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Col 2:12 KJV Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Rom 6:13 KJV Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Our BODIES will rise with Him in the future, just as Paul's future spoke of it in 1 Cor 15. Paul already resurrected with Christ spiritually when he was first saved. So 1 Cor 15's future tense cannot be speaking about Paul's spirit.

A person is Spirit, Soul and Body. And 1 Cor 15 is speaking about BODY not SPIRIT. SPIRIT was resurrected with Christ at salvation. BODY has not yet been resurrected with Him.

Hey, it's all right there in the Word.
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Old 08-21-2007, 10:58 PM
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That is nto a strawman. A strawman argument is an argument that is taken from another opponent of one's belief and twisted, so as to render one more capable of defeating the others' argument. Since the others' argument cannot be defeated, one twists it and responds to the distortion rather than the actual argument to make one look like one won the debate.




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And you say Jesus cannot be invisible with a physical body????

He can surely do as He pleases but we are discussing what is in the Word and dealing with what we have written..Do you have support for your theory here?

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He appeared and disappeared, brother.

And, anyway, God has ALWAYS BEEN INVISIBLE for eternity! You be out of context.
Yes he did while on earth..We are disccusing the location now..You believe He still retains his body today..I believe 1 Tim 1:17 says different and He lives today within his body the Church upon this earth..within the throne of his saints in their heart
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Old 08-22-2007, 12:03 AM
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Yes he did while on earth..We are disccusing the location now..You believe He still retains his body today..I believe 1 Tim 1:17 says different and He lives today within his body the Church upon this earth..within the throne of his saints in their heart
I have asked this question before with others and I cannot get a straight answer.
Where is or what happened to the resurrected tangible body of Jesus?
If it no longer retains the same characteristics as when it resurrected, what happened to it?
Did it dissapear?
Did it evaporate?
Did it ....What?
If it has changed from resurrection, when and how did it happen according to scripture.
I try to see this position, and I know a person that believs this, but I cannot get an answer other than "well the church is the body"
Can you help me understand this?
I do understand the PP views, but I cannot get this.
Lord Bless.
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If Jesus is now invisible, who did John see in Revelation?

For you to state that it does not yet appear what we shall be as an argument to the physical body of Jesus still being in existence, and then try and state what he is no, is a contradiction. If you believe as you have states, that we cannot know what Jesus is because of Johns words, and then attempt to tell us what he really is makes me know that your theology is off.

Either we can or cannot know what Jesus is right now? Which is it?

If we cannot because he has not yet appeared, then you are blowing smoke in your attempts to describe him, because you cannot know yet.
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Okay Second Question with another to come later.........

If a Christian has died and their organs were donated and ended up in several other people, what would happen when the Christians body was resurrected? Who would the organ "belong" to? Or would the organs not be part of the "Physical resurrection"?
God was able to make an army out of dead men's bones. Who's to say He can't make each one of us a resurrected body to dwell in for eternity out of the dust. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Gen 3:19, Gen 18:27
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Yes he did while on earth..We are disccusing the location now..You believe He still retains his body today..I believe 1 Tim 1:17 says different and He lives today within his body the Church upon this earth..within the throne of his saints in their heart
1 Tim does not say anything different than what I proposed. 1 Tim describes God as God has always been, even during His time manifested in flesh during Christ's human life and on until now.

So you must believe heaven is our hearts?

He retains His body while at the same time filling all the universe, just as when Christ walked the earth. Just as much as He filled the universe in Spirit while at the same time walking in a body on earth, He indwells our hearts as well as retains that physical body.
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:07 PM
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Yes, what he said.
Let me guess next Question : What about people that have been dead for hundreds of years, their body is gone. What about people that were cremated, they're just ash. My answer : God will be able to gather all their molecules together again from wherever they are into their former bodies,and than in an instant change them from earthly into spiritual.


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Sure he could, but why?

And what's he going to do with molecules that have been part of multiple bodies at different times? Not talking about (just) cannibalism, here. Decomposed bodies from long ago and scattered ashes end up in the food chain.
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