Tulsa Report Day 2

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Parkbench

Come summer time, realization that much of the Tusla sound was of brass and tinkling cymbals; will create a longing in the hearts of some who went there to return to a good old UPC Camp meeting.

Many a church will then find their old pastor showing forth a more repentant, understanding, humble and compasssionate heart............after he sees the error of Tulsa.

I thought you were UPC and that the UPC didn't allow members to smoke dope!

(On as serious note you are at best delusional or totally out of touch with the UPC if you don't think these guys are dead serious and this has not been in the works for years. There may be a handful who do as you say but most will not)

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Parkbench

Come summer time, realization that much of the Tusla sound was of brass and tinkling cymbals; will create a longing in the hearts of some who went there to return to a good old UPC Camp meeting.

Many a church will then find their old pastor showing forth a more repentant, understanding, humble and compasssionate heart............after he sees the error of Tulsa.

However unlikely, some may see the error of rushing to such a monmuental decision, but men who place so much stock in being "right" are not about to admit they were wrong. Don't expect them to come back.

The die is cast, and even if they do return, they will find that they have suffered a considerable loss of influence among the UPCI bethren. Who will follow them. I certainly will not!

Knowing it will never be as before, expect them to remain out.

[BroGibs]

There are those who will say they are unhappy with the UPCI. But truth be told they will never be happy, with UPC, WAF or any other group!!

[NW Pastor]

There are a lot of lone wolves out there.

I have always found it interesting that those that demand such blind devotion and submission from saints have such a difficult time submitting to any authority other than their own. Or to their wife!

[BroGibs]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

There are a lot of lone wolves out there.

I have always found it interesting that those that demand such blind devotion and submission from saints have such a difficult time submitting to any authority other than their own. Or to their wife!

NW, they have a lot of Insecurities! they need that control!!!

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by BroGibs

NW, they have a lot of Insecurities! they need that control!!!

Even the apostle Paul, who was instructed by Jesus in the desert and had fabulous revelations about the Gentile Revival, submitted himself to Elders in Jerusalem. It would have been very easy for such a gifted and charismatic theologean, who had grave differances of opinion over "holiness" issues with Peter, to have taken "his" gentile churches and formed his own "fellowship".

He did not. He allowed his revelations and theologies to be tested and modified by the leadership body of elders. Thus the church remained unified and grew, even in the onslaught of grave political and religious persecution.

I wonder which elders the Tulsa group submits to? Perhaps you reach an age where you become your own elder. Wow!

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Even the apostle Paul, who was instructed by Jesus in the desert and had fabulous revelations about the Gentile Revival, submitted himself to Elders in Jerusalem. It would have been very easy for such a gifted and charismatic theologean, who had grave differances of opinion over "holiness" issues with Peter, to have taken "his" gentile churches and formed his own "fellowship".

He did not. He allowed his revelations and theologies to be tested and modified by the leadership body of elders. Thus the church remained unified and grew, even in the onslaught of grave political and religious persecution.

I wonder which elders the Tulsa group submits to? Perhaps you reach an age where you become your own elder. Wow!

To answer your question, EVERYONE that signs up as a member of their fellowship are required to have THREE names of ministers to whom they are accountable and answer to on their application - one being their Pastor - and that includes the original 6.

Wasn't that easy?

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by The Dean

To answer your question, EVERYONE that signs up as a member of their fellowship are required to have THREE names of ministers to whom they are accountable and answer to on their application - one being their Pastor - and that includes the original 6.

Wasn't that easy?

Real easy to say, but not so easy to do. There are plenty of folks who call me pastor, and probably you too, who suffer from selective submission. They submit as long as they agree.

Names on a page are a good start though.

[StMark]

Oh Lawd!! There is some very interesting discussion going on here!

Let me grab something to eat and then get back and catch up with this

[BroGibs]

So true! all about power!