The word 'standards'...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by hnhisle

When I was growing up the world dressed the same as we do. In school no pants were allowed unless underneath a dress or skirt. Yes I am old as dirt but youger than your brother.lol
When I received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in Jesus name there wasn't a lot of change in my way of dressing.
Blessings

Yes and even though I grew up around some holier-than-thou people you know my mama wasn't one of them. But she believed what she believed with her whole heart.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by hnhisle

When I was growing up the world dressed the same as we do. In school no pants were allowed unless underneath a dress or skirt. Yes I am old as dirt but youger than your brother.lol
When I received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in Jesus name there wasn't a lot of change in my way of dressing.
Blessings

I do remember when it became ok for girls to wear jeans/pants to school. I was not that impressed.

[Cindy]

I saw a young lady today that had on a see through blouse, slacks with a cuff on the bottom and platform shoes. I so wanted to tell her she was mixing her eras of dress. I remember all those decades.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Neck

Most abide by standards in a mob type fashion.

You do not choose to abide by any of these standards.

You choose to stay in an organization or a church because of other benefits.

You know if you chose not to abide what the situation would become.

Many of us chose not to abide in the shadow of the mob.

We moved on and have not lost one drop of the Grace of God.

We have gained an understanding that many things are not safe guards.

They are misrepresented.

Answer this question.

If you wore pants to church on Sunday?

What would you lose?

You know the looks that you would garnish.

Or do you view this as losing your salvation?

Or level of salvation?

Kind of sounds like a Catholic mentality.

The only thing you lose is being part of the mob.

You do not freak out and start falling into all sorts of sins....

That is a lie....

Originally Posted by Neck

I do not need it to be pointed out.

I grew up around all of the big name ministers in the UPCI.

Many who shared standards behind the scenes only as a an organizational rule.

A calling card to their ministerial card.

Not a biblical absolute.

Sorry if my hearing this growing up is not what some want to hear.

I wasn't going to answer these posts because once again, this is NOT what this thread is about. I've been on forums since the FCF days, and this subject has been drug through the mill...I am weary of it and feel that no one is going to be changed by discussing any of this.

My question was where did the expression 'holiness standards' as regards to hair and dress begin, but to cast you off without giving you an answer would not be respectful of your position, so I will do so.

What I was trying to say in response to your post was how ridiculous the notion seemed that a preacher had nothing better to preach about in the 60s, so he coined the above expression.

I was pointing out that this couldn't hardly be the case, as others having already stated here that they have heard for many, many years from relatives.

As for your heritage, God bless you, but you are NOT the only one on this forum, or even in this present discusssion with a heritage.

I am third gen Apostolic and proud to say so!! There are others here who go back farther than that, however, even those who do not think like me re some issues related to this subject do not speak of it with such disdain.

I regret that your experiences have not been the best, and surely there are those who may have not held a conviction though they held a party line.

But trust me...there have always been, and still are, men and women who have lived and walked a certain way because they chose to from a heart which seeked to please the Master, and not from fear of losing a card of affiliation.

Finally, re your question on what would happen if I wore pants to church Sunday...

*sigh* If I wore pants to church this Sunday, yes, there would be looks. That would happen to anyone anywhere who had heretofore not worn them...not hard to figure that out.

What would I lose?! Not a position because I don't hold one.

Would I lose my salvation?! I don't believe salvation is something I "lose." There is not a revolving door on my heart that at any breach of a rule or a mistake I am lost.

I do believe that a sinful life can cause one to forfeit their standing with God, thus they are lost. God will not abide in an unclean vessel.

Call it semantics, but I don't see God pulling our salvation like a yo-yo...that's not the God I know.

What I would be doing by walking into service in pants is showing a lack of respect for what is taught there.

A visitor in pants wouldn't being doing that. They have no history in that local assembly, but I do. To suddenly walk in knowing how it would effect the service...that folks would lose their focus, wondering what has happened to Sis. Barb...to have my pastor concerned as to why I was doing this, that would be disrespect and confusion.

Do you see this?!

In my humble opinion, the sin would not be in the pants, but in what would surely be disrespect and rebellion on my part of what is taught there. If I can't abide by the teaching of the leadership givien, or if my convictions have changed, the honorable thing to do is move on.

I trust this has sufficiently answered your questions, and now back to the point of discussion...

[Barb]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I do remember when it became ok for girls to wear jeans/pants to school. I was not that impressed.

I graduated in 70 and it still was against school policy...

[Cindy]

I found an article Sis. Barb from The Old Landmark an AOG publication, which is too long to bring here. In the 1800's when women were fighting for the right to vote, they started wearing bloomers under shorter dresses. Under protests of the unnaturalness of corsets, hoop skirts, and other uncomfortable dress.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

I found an article Sis. Barb from The Old Landmark an AOG publication, which is too long to bring here. In the 1800's when women were fighting for the right to vote, they started wearing bloomers under shorter dresses. Under protests of the unnaturalness of corsets, hoop skirts, and other uncomfortable dress.

Interesting...thanks, C...

[Cindy]

You're welcome, but it still doesn't explain when or how. But if these are our "standards" we should be able to find out when and how they became standards. It's a little frustrating.