Salvation: easy or hard?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by allstate1

@thelegalist I believe you are putting too high a price on a life that is without salvation!!!

Christ put the value to obtain. You can ingore it all you want but it's the facts. he place value on your will to serve him.

If I obtain the whole world and lose my soul what is it worth??

You are losing your life to him.... sheesh

In short you are saying that a life of sin is of some value!!

uh no I am saying my service is of value to him. We are more than sin.

You are also quoting scripture in Matthew which is before Calvary and before the HolyGhost was given!!!!

yeah let's throw Jesus out... he doesn't matter. Matter of fact "Marcion" we will just read limited sections of Paul and ignore the rest.

[allstate1]

I think you are to arguemantative to understand the point I am making!! Also I do not believe in Marcionism!!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I think you are to arguemantative to understand the point I am making!! Also I do not believe in Marcionism!!

uh no... i understand your points perfectly. Currently your points are wrong, and poor and negate the whole of scripture and it's clear teaching. You might not be a Marcionist but you have heretical leanings that way. Which is well known by the Paulinists today at the expense of Christ. Very close framework to his mentality toward the Gospels and others.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

uh no... i understand your points perfectly. Currently your points are wrong, and poor and negate the whole of scripture and it's clear teaching. You might not be a Marcionist but you have heretical leanings that way. Which is well known by the Paulinists today at the expense of Christ. Very close framework to his mentality toward the Gospels and others.

TL, do you ever lay your head down at night, ever... and wonder "Maybe I don't know it all?"

Way to judge my brother here as a heretic in 60 seconds.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

Christ put the value to obtain. You can ingore it all you want but it's the facts. he place value on your will to serve him.

I don't ever want to hear your church singing "JESUS PAID IT ALL." What a bunch of crock.

You are losing your life to him.... sheesh

You confuse discipleship for security.

uh no I am saying my service is of value to him. We are more than sin.


yeah let's throw Jesus out... he doesn't matter. Matter of fact "Marcion" we will just read limited sections of Paul and ignore the rest. Yeah, that's the only alternative to your view. The rest of those Bible geeks just throw away the Bible. *pulling hair out*

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[allstate1]

I have an antique watch thas is in hundreds of pieces and I want to sell it as is!!! Prolly wont get a lot for it!! But I have a friend who is a watch maker and he has offered to put it together at no charge!! Once he is done it will be worth a lot of money!!! So I can leave it in the box where it will remain basically worthless or take it to a free service and get it fixed and have something valuable!!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I have an antique watch thas is in hundreds of pieces and I want to sell it as is!!! Prolly wont get a lot for it!! But I have a friend who is a watch maker and he has offered to put it together at no charge!! Once he is done it will be worth a lot of money!!! So I can leave it in the box where it will remain basically worthless or take it to a free service and get it fixed and have something valuable!!

sigh....

[allstate1]

I agree with repentance, baptism ,and the Holyghost also your point of abiding in Christ!!!! What I am saying is simply what you are considering "cost" (turning your life over to his will, persecution,family,goals etc etc...) is nothing compared to the return on your investment!! Its like investing a penny knowing you will make millions!!!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by allstate1

I agree with repentance, baptism ,and the Holyghost also your point of abiding in Christ!!!! What I am saying is simply what you are considering "cost" (turning your life over to his will, persecution,family,goals etc etc...) is nothing compared to the return on your investment!! Its like investing a penny knowing you will make millions!!!

ok you do realize that your comparison argument means nothing in this. Whether or not the comparison is equal or not. A COST and EXCHANGE ARE NEEDED and a requirement MET! 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999.00 to .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000001 THE COMPARISON AND RATIO doesn't matter. He gave life and did the will of the Father and abided in him. He gives us the SAME exact relational values. John 15. Also to say it's a one time purchase would not be correct and that it is easy is to negate all the words christ has spoken. They will be lovers of themselves more than lovers of God. Thus people see the values different right or wrong.

[allstate1]

OK OK YOu win!!