A Relevant Holiness Message - Page 12

DAII · #**111** 02-28-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I wish it were so.

Maybe that's why I want to see some grace extended to these men because we are just as weak as they are.

Grace is a wonderful thing ... we all need a personal revelation of grace ... even in our salvation doctrine ...

What say ye, Mizzy .... leave sacramentalism?

DAII · #**112** 02-28-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

What I see when I watch the combined, one week apart, sermon's is how unfair it is for RM to characterize the preacher from the internet--most likely another Apostolic or someone who used to be--in such a bad light (Very adament that what he did by using the worldly song was wrong, ungodly, unholy, and out of order in the house of God). Only to have the same group of people being preached to do the very same thing the very next week!

I personally would love for RM to simply shed some light on this subject with us. There is no one any more qualified to simply discuss:

1) Do you justify this contradiction?

2) Do you simply ignore it and go on because there is nothing you can do?

3) Do you admit to the church that you were overcome with zeal and misspoke about the use of rock songs to illustate a sermon occasionally?

4) Do you deem what happened in your pulpit "ok" because it was a conservative that did it in a conservative church with an attitude that states, "We can handle it unlike those flaming liberals who incite the jeolosy of God when they do it?"

5) Were you wrong to make such critical remarks to your church about another preacher?

6) Do you feel the only way you can verify your stand on holiness to your church is to villify other preachers in your pulpit who may not agree with you?

7) Can you admit that from an outside perspective there is a contradiction between the two weekend messages?

Look, I think its a good discussion on what one should do if this does occur. One thing for sure, it makes me want to be very carful what I say in the pulpit that might come back to bite me in the rear! LOL (Which I am sure we have all been guilty of at some point)

Would love to see these answered ... asphyxiation, anyone?

mizpeh · #**113** 02-28-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Grace is a wonderful thing ... we all need a personal revelation of grace ... even in our salvation doctrine ...

What say ye, Mizzy .... leave sacramentalism?

Grace is involved in the sacrament of water baptism as is the Holy Spirit.

notofworks · #**114** 02-28-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, we don't really know his personal battles. And since I'm not God, I'll leave him where the Master wants him - on the Potter's Wheel.

You wouldn't be saying that if he routinely used vulgarities in the pulpit. If we were displaying a video of this guy cursing a blue streak and using crude sexual vulgarities, you'd be calling for his head.

But what he did in this video is worse than bad language...in my opinion.

notofworks · #**115** 02-28-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, but you can come across hard in other ways. That doesn't mean I don't like you.

I think we need to look at ourselves much, much more than we look at other people. At least, that is how I feel about it.

Couldn't amen you more on that one!!

notofworks · #**116** 02-28-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I wish it were so.

Maybe that's why I want to see some grace extended to these men because we are just as weak as they are.

When someone falls, I lead the charge to restore. I've taken a TON of heat on this forum for the unconditional efficacious grace I call for. But that's not the case here. This is a celebrated schtick...FAR different.

Michael Phelps · #**117** 02-28-2011, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

When someone falls, I lead the charge to restore. I've taken a TON of heat on this forum for the unconditional efficacious grace I call for. But that's not the case here. This is a celebrated schtick...FAR different.

I hope I'm wrong, but my guess is that if this would have been a trinitarian preacher on TBN, there wouldn't be nearly as much mercy being extended.

MissBrattified · #**118** 02-28-2011, 07:47 PM

Listen, I can understand getting worked up over false doctrine or immorality; I don't see the point in ripping someone to shreds over their style of delivery. I can even understand picking on RM a bit because of the contradiction on his platform--but even that doesn't make RM a bad person. It might make him a conflicted or inconsistent person.

The fact that Juanita Bynum and Benny Hinn aren't defended is irrelevant since they aren't all the popular with many of their trinitarian counterparts, either. Furthermore, I have a problem with Juanita Bynum because I'm a woman and I expect other women to behave in a feminine manner. It has zero to do with her not being "oneness."

I remember a thread awhile back where NOW criticized Mark Driscoll because of his "delivery" (yelling during a sermon) and I defended him.

That said, I'm sure we all tend to defend people in our own ranks, whether that be oneness or not. I grew up around a lot of preachers who delivered the Gospel with less than finesse, to put it mildly, yet people were still saved. Sometimes preaching IS foolishness, but God tends to use it anyway.