A Relevant Holiness Message - Page 35

Michael Phelps · #**341** 03-01-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I can agree with you, Michael - IF - the critique is coming from someone/anyone - insider/outsider - who holds your best interest at heart and not simply because they want to pick - like a buzzard.

Hmm, not sure I'd agree with you on this one.......any critique can make us examine ourselves, even if the criticizer doesn't have our best interests at heart.

It's easy to determine whether someone has a valid point or are just trying to find fault......if they are fault finding, you can disregard it and move on......but, if they may have a valid observation, I wouldn't want to turn it away without considering their viewpoint.

But, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one!

DAII · #**342** 03-01-2011, 05:21 PM

4000 views by late tonite?

A big buzzard thank you to PO for playing.

Hoovie · #**343** 03-01-2011, 05:33 PM

4,000? not bad... can you give me a rundown of the top three evolutions on this thread today?

Praxeas · #**344** 03-01-2011, 05:36 PM

I didn't listen to it all the way, I have no idea if he ever did really preach.

But this kind of "preaching" bothers me and I know Im probably a minority but I don't laugh at that stuff, not even to be courteous.

To me, if you heard from God and you really are called to preach, then preach. His whole "deal" was he was "warming up" the audience. He wanted a reaction. He wanted people to get "stoopid"..Honestly with these kinds of "sermons" it really does not matter if he preaches the gospel as long as he can manipulate the audience into getting stoopid his job is done.

This kind of stuff is so superficial it's no wonder the so called "revival" is not lasting. Lasting revival plants a seed in your soul

Pressing-On · #**345** 03-01-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Hmm, not sure I'd agree with you on this one.......any critique can make us examine ourselves, even if the criticizer doesn't have our best interests at heart.

It's easy to determine whether someone has a valid point or are just trying to find fault......if they are fault finding, you can disregard it and move on......but, if they may have a valid observation, I wouldn't want to turn it away without considering their viewpoint.

But, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one!

Sure - we can agree to disagree.

But, my point is, chances are, if you are acting like a critical jerk, I could care less what you have to say to or about me. At that point, I am doing the -

But, that's just me.

notofworks · #**346** 03-01-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I guess it just seems strange and uncomfortable, to me, to post something from someone's Facebook or church website and talk about it on-line.

••But the things you're talking about here are out there in the public. These people are broadcasting it and when one does that, there will be opinions and it will get discussed. What I DON'T like is when someone will post on AFF something against their pastor, a sermon they didn't like, a look he gave, a decision he made. That stuff reeks.

Like they embezzled money or something.

••This is way different than that. If someone embezzles money, their revival calendar dries up instantly. That person would be in great need of forgiveness, restoration, love, and help. In this case, we have a pastor who openly and regularly bashes others and an evangelist who mocked and made fun of other servants of the Lord. Both are highly esteemed by many because of their schticks and it's totally fair for us to talk about that.

LOL! It's one of those things that you know is going to come back and bite you somewhere down the road.

••I am routinely trashed for things we do in our church services so I got used to that a long time ago. I have a file of anonymous letters and emails calling me all kinds of names....so oh well.

We pretty much had a character assassination, publicly, of RM and GP here.

••No we didn't. Nothing about this is character assassination. These sermons were posted on the WORLD WIDE web and feedback was generated. I've heard nothing about their character. Their character is completely beside the point, really. GP may have the top-rated character in all of America, but he still mocked, made fun of, and laughed at a fellow servant of the Lord...one who recently passed away, no less. Same for RM. He loudly condemned others and then approved someone who did what he condemned. Those two things deserve discussion.

If we can't do that here, we should just post pictures of our grandkids, pictures of the snow, and trade recipes, in which case, AFF will have 3 people log on each day.

Anyone lurking who doesn't know them, will be given a certain impression that is not the whole of their lives or character. I think that is a shame.

••Decent point, but I'm not sure about that. And...I'm not sure it matters, really. As well, do you object when Nancy Pelosi is trashed like she is on AFF, when Obama is trashed like he is on AFF? Certainly, those opinions will give a certain impression that is not "the whole of their lives or character."

I'm not against discussing things that have been made a matter of public record in the news, etc. Bringing something up and making it the news myself? "Did you see or read this? Let me point out this flaw or inconsistency to you."

••But that's exactly what is happening here. When this stuff is posted on the WORLD WIDE web, it's news and it's a matter of the public record. Look, if Benny Hinn had a sermon posted on the internet in which he used the f-bomb 22 times, don't you think that would be news? Don't you think we would be talking about it here? You know we would and I don't think there's any chance whatsoever you would come to his defense. And in my little opinion, what was done here was worse than a slang term for sexual intercourse.

And like my husband said, "Some things I don't agree with, but I'm not going to talk about GP or anyone else."

••Good for him. Really. The world needs more people like that and I respect him for that. But if every single person in the world were like that, a lot of things in this world would go unchecked and that wouldn't be good.

Couldn't agree more. I'm just glad he is that way. He would never become a part of this forum and participate like that. It's not his way. And I am very sure that he would agree with MP's post. He just wouldn't voice it publicly. We talk privately about things, but we don't share things publicly.

••The only real difference of you two discussing things between the two of you, and talking about it here on the forum, is the size of the audience.

Pressing-On · #**347** 03-01-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

4000 views by late tonite?

A big buzzard thank you to PO for playing.

Always a pleasure, mi amigo!

Pressing-On · #**348** 03-01-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

••••But the things you're talking about here are out there in the public.

I'm glad you brought this up and I am not going to have the time this evening that I did yesterday for back to back response. Just letting you know.

What you posted above is what bothers me, because you HAVE to go to his website and drag it over here for the discussion. Someone went there, DA (?) or someone related it to DA and he is like - COOL BEANS - another inconsistency in the ranks!!! Let's roll some heads around on my AI Forum (the one I wanted to use to attack the UPCI - hence AI

) AND AFF because this is fodder that goes over well with the members. Just sayin'...

You can't actually see the scenario here?

Now, what did I do with that buzzard image?

I try not to post on this type of thread, but sometimes I just do. Toe Torry.

notofworks · #**349** 03-01-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't listen to it all the way, I have no idea if he ever did really preach.

But this kind of "preaching" bothers me and I know Im probably a minority but I don't laugh at that stuff, not even to be courteous.

To me, if you heard from God and you really are called to preach, then preach. His whole "deal" was he was "warming up" the audience. He wanted a reaction. He wanted people to get "stoopid"..Honestly with these kinds of "sermons" it really does not matter if he preaches the gospel as long as he can manipulate the audience into getting stoopid his job is done.

This kind of stuff is so superficial it's no wonder the so called "revival" is not lasting. Lasting revival plants a seed in your soul

PRAXIMUS!!!!! Holy Cow!!! Let's have lunch, we're buds!!!

Yes, you are in the minority and I think that's sad on this one. I wouldn't DARE crack the slightest hint of a tiny smile. My butt would be the only thing he would see of me, because I would head for the door.

notofworks · #**350** 03-01-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sure - we can agree to disagree.

But, my point is, chances are, if you are acting like a critical jerk, I could care less what you have to say to or about me. At that point, I am doing the -

But, that's just me.

No....you couldn't care less. If you "could care less", that means you care more than you should.

Oh wait.....we're not supposed to criticize, I forgot.