Falla, I'm not taking a swipe at you for saying what you said, but when I came into the Apostolic/Oneness movement back in the 70's, it bugged me to no end when people bragged about this "Heritage" stuff.
I don't have one Family member from my past who is Oneness, and I was adopted, so who knows what happened to all those folks that are my real/blood Family.
I went to an Apostolic Church for many years that would do all these slide shows and special presentations that seemed to glorify only a select few, and I really felt like I didn't belong.
Sorry if I rained on this parade. Just being honest.
How long were you/have you been in an Apostolic Church?
Apostolic church defined in this thread as
Jesus Christ is the Son of God and God
Jesus Christ died for our sins on the cross and rose again the third day
One that taught the oneness of God
Baptism in Jesus name by immersion
Holy ghost infilling according to Acts 2:4 with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues
Some type of inward and outward holiness standard
The Assemblies of God comes very close to fitting that description! They don't teach "the oneness of God' in those exact words, but they certainly teach that there is only one God. Maybe a more accurate (in practice) definition of Apostolic would say something about teaching against using the word "persons" in describing the three main manifestations of God.
But I suppose that's for another thread.
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NotForSale,
My heritage was given me by those who preceded me. It didn't start with me but I have endeavored and continue to pass it on as a legacy to our children, who are passing it on to their children, our grandchildren and our first great-grandchild. That totals about 37 persons, including my husband of 51 yrs. He wasn't born into it like I was, but he certainly appreciates being grafted in, as others that came in, by marriage, etc.
My heritage is not something that I "brag" about. It is something I APPRECIATE from the bottom of my heart. Not everyone appreciates what they were born into, sad to say! I do!
NotForSale, were you grafted into an apostolic family by adoption. If so, God saw you and brought you to where you are today by that means. I was born into a family of eleven children. My paternal grandmother came out of the Methodist church, where her mother had been a charter member for 48 yrs. Grandma for 21 yrs. She heard an old street preacher preaching the Acts 2 message, got mad enough to search the scriptures, find out he was right, believed, obeyed and the rest is history. My late father followed his mother and they both followed on to know the LORD. That was in 1933-34. I was born in the fall of 1939 (Falla39) and received my own Pentecostal experience in 1958, at age 18. It has to start/begin with someone. It didn't began with me, but it may have begun with you as the first of your family (whether birth or adopted family.
NotForSale,
My heritage was given me by those who preceded me. It didn't start with me but I have endeavored and continue to pass it on as a legacy to our children, who are passing it on to their children, our grandchildren and our first great-grandchild. That totals about 37 persons, including my husband of 51 yrs. He wasn't born into it like I was, but he certainly appreciates being grafted in, as others that came in, by marriage, etc.
My heritage is not something that I "brag" about. It is something I APPRECIATE from the bottom of my heart. Not everyone appreciates what they were born into, sad to say! I do!
NotForSale, were you grafted into an apostolic family by adoption. If so, God saw you and brought you to where you are today by that means. I was born into a family of eleven children. My paternal grandmother came out of the Methodist church, where her mother had been a charter member for 48 yrs. Grandma for 21 yrs. She heard an old street preacher preaching the Acts 2 message, got mad enough to search the scriptures, find out he was right, believed, obeyed and the rest is history. My late father followed his mother and they both followed on to know the LORD. That was in 1933-34. I was born in the fall of 1939 (Falla39) and received my own Pentecostal experience in 1958, at age 18. It has to start/begin with someone. It didn't began with me, but it may have begun with you as the first of your family (whether birth or adopted family.
Falla39
No offense Falla, but I disagree with using Religious Heritage in a place where most people don't feel what you feel. For over 30 years I've watched Pentecostal "Clicks" use the pride of their past as the benchmark of identity. This isolates and makes people feel like they don't belong, and that the inner circle is untouchable.
This form of boasting about our Heritage feeds Tradition and arrogance, where the nobodies don’t feel like they can become anything. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t remember Jesus doing this, nor endorsing it. The Bible said he made himself of no reputation, maintaining the form of a servant.
No offense Falla, but I disagree with using Religious Heritage in a place where most people don't feel what you feel. For over 30 years I've watched Pentecostal "Clicks" use the pride of their past as the benchmark of identity. This isolates and makes people feel like they don't belong, and that the inner circle is untouchable.
This form of boasting about our Heritage feeds Tradition and arrogance, where the nobodies don’t feel like they can become anything. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t remember Jesus doing this, nor endorsing it. The Bible said he made himself of no reputation, maintaining the form of a servant.
Paul mentored young Timothy in the gospel because his father was not a
believer. Paul mentioned that he had seen the same faith that was in his
mother, Eunice and his grandmother, Lois and he was persuaded that it was
in Timothy too. Evidently Saul (Paul) of Tarsus didn't have the same back-
ground as Timothy had, but he was willing to mentor this young man, as he
saw a benefit as one whose mother and grandmother were believers. In other
words Timothy had been "trained up" as a youth.
We eleven siblings were also "trained up in the way we should go", and then
it was up to God to do the rest, and I am so thankful, (not proud or arrogant)
for those who cared enough to take the time to do what God desired parents
to do. God is no respector of persons and I don't believe he sees anyone as
"no bodies". I certainly don't! We were not "trained up" to think of anyone as
"no bodies".
I am not offended but will confess I can't quite understand where you're coming from.
Incidentally I didn't start this thread either!
Paul mentored young Timothy in the gospel because his father was not a
believer. Paul mentioned that he had seen the same faith that was in his
mother, Eunice and his grandmother, Lois and he was persuaded that it was
in Timothy too. Evidently Saul (Paul) of Tarsus didn't have the same back-
ground as Timothy had, but he was willing to mentor this young man, as he
saw a benefit as one whose mother and grandmother were believers. In other
words Timothy had been "trained up" as a youth.
We eleven siblings were also "trained up in the way we should go", and then
it was up to God to do the rest, and I am so thankful, (not proud or arrogant)
for those who cared enough to take the time to do what God desired parents
to do. God is no respector of persons and I don't believe he sees anyone as
"no bodies". I certainly don't! We were not "trained up" to think of anyone as
"no bodies".
I am not offended but will confess I can't quite understand where you're coming from.
Incidentally I didn't start this thread either!
Falla39
You don't understand because you've never been where I've been, and I guess that's understandable...
You don't understand because you've never been where I've been, and I guess that's understandable...
And, NotforSale, likewise, you've never been where and through the things
I have been through. So you cannot judge my "heritage" with all the 30 yrs
of Pentecostal "clicks" and proud, arrogant people you have known!
27 yrs for me. When I think of my "Heritage" however, I think of my Old Order Mennonite family, that I experienced the first sixteen yrs of life. My people were Mennonite for 13 generations.
My wife, though, is 4th generation Oneness Pentecostal.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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You don't understand because you've never been where I've been, and I guess that's understandable...
I know what you mean, I think. I didn't "come in" until I was 40, and am the only one in my family in church, any church. going on 9 years in Sept. I'm a single guy too. I don't really fellowship too much except for church functions, or go eat someplace after church. I feel like I have nothing in common except Jesus.
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