Does Hell make sense?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Every situation does matter, not just our own. If I only consider my own destiny, I will become imbalanced and pressured by my own will.

Then Jesus was wrong to tell Peter it was not his business what happened to John?

This leads to critical analysis that is unhealthy and selfish, my idea eventually evolving into a lie.

I find it strange that this is the usual drawback when the answer can't be found; just do what's right for yourself and don’t worry about others. Does this mean we look the other way when people are in need, or, they are heading for a severe potential problem in life?

When I married my wife 30 years ago, I avowed to care for her as my own flesh. I consider her destiny very important to me, including her Eternal one. Fortunately, her and I agree in our Faith and love for the Lord. But others aren’t so lucky. Many Apostolics are married to spouses who don’t go to Church and have differing views about God and the practice of Religion. I have watched the non-Apostolic spouses pass away, and the grieving mate express what a good husband or wife they had. Having some consolation that mercy abounded when they died is valuable and human dignity requires that we comfort the fatherless and the widow in these matters.

If my mission in life is to find the Truth, I must never conclude what is only right for me. I am responsible to consider all points of view, from all walks of life. When people do this we begin to understand that the picture of life is far bigger than living in our limited dream of Faith or Culture, where vision is in the cage of personal opinion.

The issue of hypotheticals is usually used in this manner to cast doubt upon the veracity of the bible. That, along with the fact that you already indicated you do not believe part of the bible is true, raises other issues.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Then Jesus was wrong to tell Peter it was not his business what happened to John?

The issue of hypotheticals is usually used in this manner to cast doubt upon the veracity of the bible. That, along with the fact that you already indicated you do not believe part of the bible is true, raises other issues.

So, you don't care what happens to others? Just save yourself and forget about everyone else!

The potential for flaw lies in everything, including the Bible. Mike, you should know from personal experience that the Bible is a Book that leaves us hanging in the balance of what if, what is, what isn't, and what might be. If that wasn't the case, everyone would follow you.

You're also basing an isolated example of Jesus dealing with one man as the antidote to this problem. This doesn’t solve the “Hell Issue”, and your inability to prove what happens to us when we die is one reason you’re looking for an out.

[TGBTG]

If we believe the bible to be the Word of God, Jesus definitely spoke of the place where their worm dieth not, neither is the fire quenched.

Now, if we don't believe the bible as the Word of God, then there's no point even discussing the implication of hell, cos the basis of hell as christians believe it is from the bible.

We can't choose to believe what we want from the bible. It's either we believe the whole thing or we don't believe anything in the bible.

Heb 10
28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hell makes sense!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

So, you don't care what happens to others? Just save yourself and forget about everyone else!

The potential for flaw lies in everything, including the Bible. Mike, you should know from personal experience that the Bible is a Book that leaves us hanging in the balance of what if, what is, what isn't, and what might be. If that wasn't the case, everyone would follow you.

You're also basing an isolated example of Jesus dealing with one man as the antidote to this problem. This doesn’t solve the “Hell Issue”, and your inability to prove what happens to us when we die is one reason you’re looking for an out.

As soon as you said I am looking for an out, I lost interest in much of your question, for I am not looking for any out. Why do people have to make these personal judgment calls? Again, you said you disagree with much of the bible. Now you affirm that and question even the bible. How can we discuss this with that perspective, first of all? Secondly, I am trying to say it is more important to abide by the word of God and get self right and be led by the Spirit rather than split hairs over issues like this.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Man has no choice but to be a unholy vile sinner. No man comes to God unless he draws him, right? Pharoah was who was necause God made him such. So some ask why send someone to an eternal burning hell for something they had no control over?

IF you believe in Reformed doctrine of which I don't and many others do not as well.

http://www.youtube.com/refutingcalvinism

http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenAirOutreach

http://www.libraryoftheology.com/

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As soon as you said I am looking for an out, I lost interest in much of your question, for I am not looking for any out. Why do people have to make these personal judgment calls? Again, you said you disagree with much of the bible. Now you affirm that and question even the bible. How can we discuss this with that perspective, first of all? Secondly, I am trying to say it is more important to abide by the word of God and get self right and be led by the Spirit rather than split hairs over issues like this.

In the end they have nothing but a emotional appeal and question if THIS God who burns people forever from a human understanding makes sense. Giving you just enough question about the Bible to make it "seem" plausible. Let's tool around with the Greek and bam we have a alternative view for the people that don't want to deal with it. Just like OSAS and others that refuse to look at it and see many are called but not all and few out of the called are chosen. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! GOD IS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! As you said Mike as much as he is awesome in grace and mercy he is equally just.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

In the end they have nothing but a emotional appeal and question if THIS God who burns people forever from a human understanding makes sense. Giving you just enough question about the Bible to make it "seem" plausible. Let's tool around with the Greek and bam we have a alternative view for the people that don't want to deal with it. Just like OSAS and others that refuse to look at it and see many are called but not all and few out of the called are chosen. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! GOD IS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! As you said Mike as much as he is awesome in grace and mercy he is equally just.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

In the end they have nothing but a emotional appeal and question if THIS God who burns people forever from a human understanding makes sense. Giving you just enough question about the Bible to make it "seem" plausible. Let's tool around with the Greek and bam we have a alternative view for the people that don't want to deal with it. Just like OSAS and others that refuse to look at it and see many are called but not all and few out of the called are chosen. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT! GOD IS LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE! As you said Mike as much as he is awesome in grace and mercy he is equally just.

Honestly, do you think it's loving, kind or just for someone to torture another person because they didn't acknowledge them properly?

Second question....do you really believe God is so petty that He holds tremendous revengeful grudges, in His unforgiveness, toward those who do not ask Him to forgive them.

What kind of sick, twisted and petty God is this anyway?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

If we believe the bible to be the Word of God, Jesus definitely spoke of the place where their worm dieth not, neither is the fire quenched.

Now, if we don't believe the bible as the Word of God, then there's no point even discussing the implication of hell, cos the basis of hell as christians believe it is from the bible.

We can't choose to believe what we want from the bible. It's either we believe the whole thing or we don't believe anything in the bible.

Heb 10
28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hell makes sense!!!

Nothing in the verses you post supports endless conscience torment, only the confirmed wages of sin which is death.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God, yes, why? Because His fiery presence will vaporize all sin and evil, not because He will torture you endlessly. The truth about Hell make sense, the traditional deception and lies of man, certainly do not.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Honestly, do you think it's loving, kind or just for someone to torture another person because they didn't acknowledge them properly?

Second question....do you really believe God is so petty that He holds tremendous revengeful grudges, in His unforgiveness, toward those who do not ask Him to forgive them.

What kind of sick, twisted and petty God is this anyway?

You missed the remark.... we cannot comprehend God's grace and love since it is so vast, and neither can we comprehend His wrath. Stop trying to. What if Hell is as we claim? You going to tell God you are not going to serve Him?