Does Hell make sense?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. A game implies God and Satan are equal opponents. One is just as great in magnitude as the other, only in opposite realms of goodness versus evil. It assumes good and evil are equally as strong as the other, and we wonder who "wins" in such cases. That is the false doctrine of dualism, where there can be no good unless there is evil.

Satan is not God's evil counterpart. If anything, Michael would be opposite to satan, not God being opposite to satan.

UR does not embrace the game that you imply. God is in charge, and there is no real competition from satan, nor the "all powerful" will of man.

The is the existence of good and evil, that no one can deny, and God has allow both for His purpose. But in the end He will defeat and remove all evil and all of its effects.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by crakjak

UR does not embrace the game that you imply. God is in charge, and there is no real competition from satan, nor the "all powerful" will of man.

The is the existence of good and evil, that no one can deny, and God has allow both for His purpose. But in the end He will defeat and remove all evil and all of its effects.

The implication of the game we mentioned was found in your repeated statements to the effect that GOD "WINS."

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The implication of the game we mentioned was found in your repeated statements to the effect that GOD "WINS."

I believe you will find that reference in others posts not so much mine, other than a reference to the title of Rob Bell's new book.

However, I see no particular problem with declaring that God wins over all evil. Scripture even declares that His last enemy as being death, which of course would include the LOF, since it is the second death.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

My whole point, the all knowing God did not speak in a way that they could understand, and He did that on purpose, His purpose. So, you can turn it anyway you choose, end result is the same. He purposely was not saving all at that time, even though He could have, had it fit His overall purpose.

Likewise, He has a purpose in not converting the whole world at this moment, but that will change. For He is the Savior of the whole world.

My whole point, they were blind to begin with.

It has nothing to do with the topic

Jesus did not always speak in parables but he also spoke plainly and explained what he meant

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

UR does not embrace the game that you imply. God is in charge, and there is no real competition from satan, nor the "all powerful" will of man.

The is the existence of good and evil, that no one can deny, and God has allow both for His purpose. But in the end He will defeat and remove all evil and all of its effects.

Actually UR does. Why? Because it's part of YOUR argument to claim that if not everyone is saved then God lost, God failed and Satan won

We deny there is a game to begin with, so your argument that God lost is a non sequitor.

It might be your conclusion to YOUR beliefs...thus your beliefs must logically include the idea that God and Satan are playing a grand cosmic game where the stakes are to see if God can save everyone and if God does not He lost.

That's YOUR rules, your claim and your conclusion. It's not ours

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I believe you will find that reference in others posts not so much mine, other than a reference to the title of Rob Bell's new book.

However, I see no particular problem with declaring that God wins over all evil. Scripture even declares that His last enemy as being death, which of course would include the LOF, since it is the second death.

We find it in your posts AND the posts of others advocating UR thus our assertion is that either UR is based on logical fallacies/lies OR UR must logically argue there is a great game between God and Satan and if you are a UR you believe God won and if you are not then God must have lost or failed

[mfblume]

Prax had it right. Context is totally ignored in the references it makes from the bible.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Actually UR does. Why? Because it's part of YOUR argument to claim that if not everyone is saved then God lost, God failed and Satan won

We deny there is a game to begin with, so your argument that God lost is a non sequitor.

It might be your conclusion to YOUR beliefs...thus your beliefs must logically include the idea that God and Satan are playing a grand cosmic game where the stakes are to see if God can save everyone and if God does not He lost.

That's YOUR rules, your claim and your conclusion. It's not ours

Prax, I just have to crack up at your (no pun intended) statements; Your beliefs, your rules, your claim, your conclusion, your argument.

Be honest, isn't this the grand scheme of Religion? Everything you said points right back at you and everyone else in the argument of Faith.

I’m not picking on you. This is all of us as we move from one Scripture to the next, developing our own idea about God! I see this as something God observes, and His mercy extending to our inability to truly know about things in the Spectral realm.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Prax, I just have to crack up at your (no pun intended) statements; Your beliefs, your rules, your claim, your conclusion, your argument.

Be honest, isn't this the grand scheme of Religion? Everything you said points right back at you and everyone else in the argument of Faith.

I’m not picking on you. This is all of us as we move from one Scripture to the next, developing our own idea about God! I see this as something God observes, and His mercy extending to our inability to truly know about things in the Spectral realm.

Im just talking about someone's assertion that if one soul is not saved, God lost...That's my view of such a claim. What is yours?

[MarcBee]

It's prolly made more dollars than sense.