Does Hell make sense? - Page 18

crakjak · #**171** 05-22-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

We find it in your posts AND the posts of others advocating UR thus our assertion is that either UR is based on logical fallacies/lies OR UR must logically argue there is a great game between God and Satan and if you are a UR you believe God won and if you are not then God must have lost or failed

You cannot deny the facts, if the majority of humans are cast into a traditional view of HELL, God did lose. Either that, or God really does give a rip about individual human beings, nor their wellbeing.

I haven't called it a game, nor do I believe it is. The traditional view is the game, and that is what URs refer to, either one finds the correct religious formula or they literally BURN. In the traditional view God loses most of his creation, and Satan has is way of destroying the majority, not so in UR.

UR believes that there is no contest, God is all powerful, and satan has no power over God's creation. There is no game in UR, the game is your position, my friend. God's desire will come to pass , and all will willing come to repentance.

crakjak · #**172** 05-22-2011, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

It's prolly made more dollars than sense.

The same type of fear as created by Harold Camping, for attention and likely for millions skimmed off the donations of gullible people.

crakjak · #**173** 05-22-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The implication of the game we mentioned was found in your repeated statements to the effect that GOD "WINS."

In contrast to God, LOSES???????

I much more prefer the WIN. LOL

Praxeas · #**174** 05-22-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

You cannot deny the facts, if the majority of humans are cast into a traditional view of HELL, God did lose.

See? Please nobody ever deny that the UR view is that God is in a cosmic game with an equal opponent called Satan and that if one soul is not saved, God lost.

That, Notforsale, is NOT my view. That was the point I tried to make earlier that you obfuscated for whatever reason. That is Crakjak's and other UR's view. That is NOT our view

Our view is that God is doing exactly what His word says, separating the goats from the sheep, the weeds from the wheat. God is not in competition with Satan.

God wants people who willingly love Him.
Heb 2:10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering.
Heb 2:11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one origin. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers

God's grand scheme is to reveal or manifest the Sons of Light, which in turn reveals the Sons of Darkness or the evil one.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the Devil: everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God, also he who does not love his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
1Jn 3:12 not as Cain who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. And for what did he kill him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's things were righteous.

God did not lose because Cain was of the evil one...it's NOT a game. It's NOT a competition.

Praxeas · #**175** 05-22-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

In contrast to God, LOSES???????

I much more prefer the WIN. LOL

Everytime you post you vindicate our point though you initially tried to deny it. You can't help repeating this because as we said this forms the basis of UR theology, that God is in a cosmic battle, a game or competition with Satan...

Trouvere · #**176** 05-22-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Another point some make is man has no choice but to be a sinner, being such how can they be etenrally punished for something they have no control over?

No what makes no sense is the teaching of original sin that Augustine proposed that says man is in a depraved state at birth and has no other nature but one that leads to sin and punishes him for it. That is what is messed up. For this reason the Catholics began to baptize babies.

crakjak · #**177** 05-22-2011, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

See? Please nobody ever deny that the UR view is that God is in a cosmic game with an equal opponent called Satan and that if one soul is not saved, God lost.

That, Notforsale, is NOT my view. That was the point I tried to make earlier that you obfuscated for whatever reason. That is Crakjak's and other UR's view. That is NOT our view

Our view is that God is doing exactly what His word says, separating the goats from the sheep, the weeds from the wheat. God is not in competition with Satan.

God wants people who willingly love Him.
Heb 2:10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering.
Heb 2:11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one origin. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers

God's grand scheme is to reveal or manifest the Sons of Light, which in turn reveals the Sons of Darkness or the evil one.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the Devil: everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God, also he who does not love his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
1Jn 3:12 not as Cain who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. And for what did he kill him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's things were righteous.

God did not lose because Cain was of the evil one...it's NOT a game. It's NOT a competition.

You are the best at diverting a discussion onto a mindless rabbit trail!!

crakjak · #**178** 05-22-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

See? Please nobody ever deny that the UR view is that God is in a cosmic game with an equal opponent called Satan and that if one soul is not saved, God lost.

That, Notforsale, is NOT my view. That was the point I tried to make earlier that you obfuscated for whatever reason. That is Crakjak's and other UR's view. That is NOT our view

Our view is that God is doing exactly what His word says, separating the goats from the sheep, the weeds from the wheat. God is not in competition with Satan.

God wants people who willingly love Him.
Heb 2:10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering.
Heb 2:11 For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one origin. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers

God's grand scheme is to reveal or manifest the Sons of Light, which in turn reveals the Sons of Darkness or the evil one.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the Devil: everyone not practicing righteousness is not of God, also he who does not love his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;
1Jn 3:12 not as Cain who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. And for what did he kill him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's things were righteous.

God did not lose because Cain was of the evil one...it's NOT a game. It's NOT a competition.

Why was Cain of the evil one, what caused his brain to think evil? Why does evil exist? Why as Cain evil and Abel not? Why were you born in America and heard the gospel at an early age? Did God predetermine that some would be of the evil one without any hope?

Are is God's purpose greater than all of our understanding and imagination?

Again it is not a game, it is the purpose of the ages, designed and directed by the Eternal One.

Praxeas · #**179** 05-22-2011, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

You are the best at diverting a discussion onto a mindless rabbit trail!!

ROFL
You UR's were the ones that introduced the issue of God losing or failing, not us!

Praxeas · #**180** 05-22-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Why was Cain of the evil one, what caused his brain to think evil? Why does evil exist? Why as Cain evil and Abel not? Why were you born in America and heard the gospel at an early age? Did God predetermine that some would be of the evil one without any hope?

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WHY, OH WHY?!?!?