Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes, Christ won... and through His effectual calling He broke my self centered, legalistic, pride filled, religious heart to the message of grace.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

The Grace of God brings salvation! And thank God it does!

Falla39

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I'm not starting this thread for contention,and I ask posters who participate in this thread not to personally insult those whom you differ with.

But you do honestly feel Acts.2:38 is the one plan of salvation yes or no, why or why not ?

Doesn't seem that if the NT. church began at Pentecost,Peter's sermon on the death,burial,resurrection of Christ, and His altar call would bear alot of weigh on the question what do I need to do to be saved ?

Salvation is accomplished by His shed blood and resurrection the ONLY way to experience that in the NT is by obeying Acts 2:38! There is NO remission of sins for the penitent without being baptized in Jesus Name.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Salvation is accomplished by His shed blood and resurrection the ONLY way to experience that in the NT is by obeying Acts 2:38! There is NO remission of sins for the penitent without being baptized in Jesus Name.

Sorry sir, but that is in stark contradiction to what the scripture states:

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:44
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Their sins were remitted before they even got baptized.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Sorry sir, but that is in stark contradiction to what the scripture states:

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:44
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Their sins were remitted before they even got baptized.

You quit reading to early. Verse 48 "tells words whereby you and your house can be saved." Acts 11:14-15

It was a COMMAND not a suggestion.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You quit reading to early. Verse 48 "tells words whereby you and your house can be saved." Acts 11:14-15

It was a COMMAND not a suggestion.

I am not saying baptism is a suggestion. Baptism is a command by our Lord.

However, how come God filled them with the HolyGhost if their sins were not remitted?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I am not saying baptism is a suggestion. Baptism is a command by our Lord.

However, how come God filled them with the HolyGhost if their sins were not remitted?

Anyone readin the passage it is clear Peter would not have accepted them without God doing this. This made him accept their sincerity and genuine faith. That is why I have never said I was a 3 stepper however there are 3 ingredients blood-water-Spirit. They were immediately baptized those were SAVING words. Acts 11:14-15 NO salvation in the NT without obeying Acts 2:38. Those are the plain clear facts.

[Falla39]

Bro. Jim Ellis posted the following on the Apostolic Forum on Facebook.

James Ellis
The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

This was spelled out at the beginning of the merger, so why the problem with it today!
I don't care who came along and wrote a book or books against what was spelled out
in the beginnng.

I asked Bro. C.M. Becton about this at Nona Freeman's visitation, the night before her
funeral. He said, "I was of the PCI persuasion, but it wasn't like they try to explain it today"!
There were others waiting to speak with Bro. Becton so I did not have a chance to dialogue
farther with him. I regret that and now he's gone.

I was born in 1939 and the merger was in 1945. My late father founded and pastored a work
in our city for over 30 yrs. Not one time did I ever hear anything about the difference between
those who merged in 1945. I am thankful for that as I would not have understood it back then.

As a mature adult, I have no confusion as I was taught the basic fundamental that Bro. Jim posted
on Facebook. Could it be that somewhere along the way much confusion has been caused by possibly
unsuspecting "enemies of the Cross". Paul spoke of some in his day who were enemies of the Cross.

Philippians 3:17,18
Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Quiet possibly there are other well known ministers who evidently were of the PCI persuasion, who pastored UPC churches and held positions in the organization.

I mean no offense to anyone!

Falla39

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I have never understood how we can say there is a difference between the "gospel" and "plan of salvation" after reading:

II Thessalonians 1:8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

I Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

Obedience to the gospel is the plan of salvation. It's a fine line, but I think there is a distinction. the gospel is the death, burial and resurrection. But then there are some who claim the GOSPEL is the all-encompassing package of EVERYTHING that is good news, not just the d, b and r. Maybe that is who we should say it.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Jim Ellis posted the following on the Apostolic Forum on Facebook.

James Ellis
The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

I mean no offense to anyone!

Falla39

Here's the problem:

So the person who has only repented and been baptized has not received full salvation right?
So a person can be "half born again"?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Here's the problem:

So the person who has only repented and been baptized has not received full salvation right?
So a person can be "half born again"?

That is the problem with the compromise wording of the merger. Acts 2:38 is the new birth period. No one is saved without obeying Acts 2:38.

I knew Becton had been of the PCI persuasion. It was error then and it is error now.