Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ? - Page 6

TGBTG · #51 09-20-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is the problem with the compromise wording of the merger. Acts 2:38 is the new birth period. No one is saved without obeying Acts 2:38.

I knew Becton had been of the PCI persuasion. It was error then and it is error now.

I agree Acts 2:38 is the new birth. Acts 2:38 however presents only 2 things (not 3):

1. Repent
2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

The problem is we have made it 3 instead of two.

Steve Epley · #52 09-20-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

I agree Acts 2:38 is the new birth. Acts 2:38 however presents only 2 things (not 3):

1. Repent
2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

The problem is we have made it 3 instead of two.

Explain a little more if you will? Are you saying you do not believe in the Holy Ghost baptism apart from repentance and water baptism?

Are you out of Ft. Wayne or part of that group?

mfblume · #53 09-20-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Explain a little more if you will? Are you saying you do not believe in the Holy Ghost baptism apart from repentance and water baptism?

Are you out of Ft. Wayne or part of that group?

I think what me means is that we are told we have to do two things, and then are informed WE SHALL RECEIVE the Holy Ghost. If we are told we shall receive something, it is not saying IN THAT CLAUSE that we have to do something as in the first two issues of repentance and baptism. God is the one who does the third thing, while we repent and we are baptized. The first two items are commands for us to perform. The third issue is that we shall experience something. It is distinguishing what we are commanded to do with what we shall experience.

TGBTG · #54 09-20-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Explain a little more if you will? Are you saying you do not believe in the Holy Ghost baptism apart from repentance and water baptism?

Are you out of Ft. Wayne or part of that group?

Nah bro, I have received the baptism of the HolyGhost. In fact, the day I received it, I literally felt God and his love overflowing in me. I knew I had Jesus. I was set on fire on that day, and I remember going to work and preaching Christ to all my co-workers...lol

However, my position is that I can call anyone who has repented and been baptized my brother because scripture gives only those two commands.

From my understanding of Acts 18 and Acts 19, the HGB is a further experience with God. And I believe that it is the promise of God to all who believe. I just do not condemn those who have not yet received this experience.

Aquila and Prisicilla did not condemn Apollos for his limited knowledge. They expounded unto him the way of God better.

Paul considered those disciples he met in Ephesus as believers (Acts 19) and was was gonna increase their experience with God before he discovered that they had not even heard of the HolyGhost.

So, in short, what I'm saying is the HGB is for believers. But a person who has repented of their sins and been baptized is born again...

mfblume · #55 09-20-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

You picture God as a reactionary deity in the Heavens making His choices predicated upon what we do.

No, Paul did that in Romans 1. Please explain Romans 1 and the verses I cited if you disagree.

Steve Epley · #56 09-20-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Nah bro, I have received the baptism of the HolyGhost. In fact, the day I received it, I literally felt God and his love overflowing in me. I knew I had Jesus. I was set on fire on that day, and I remember going to work and preaching Christ to all my co-workers...lol

However, my position is that I can call anyone who has repented and been baptized my brother because scripture gives only those two commands.

From my understanding of Acts 18 and Acts 19, the HGB is a further experience with God. And I believe that it is the promise of God to all who believe. I just do not condemn those who have not yet received this experience.

Aquila and Prisicilla did not condemn Apollos for his limited knowledge. They expounded unto him the way of God better.

Paul considered those disciples he met in Ephesus as believers (Acts 19) and was was gonna increase their experience with God before he discovered that they had not even heard of the HolyGhost.

So, in short, what I'm saying is the HGB is for believers. But a person who has repented of their sins and been baptized is born again...

I understand you. Do NOT agree but understand. There is NO salvation without the Holy Ghost Baptism. Thanks.

Amanah · #57 09-20-2011, 09:31 AM

Brother Epley
would you comment on the linked thread please?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...23#post1098923

Digging4Truth · #58 09-20-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Nah bro, I have received the baptism of the HolyGhost. In fact, the day I received it, I literally felt God and his love overflowing in me. I knew I had Jesus. I was set on fire on that day, and I remember going to work and preaching Christ to all my co-workers...lol

However, my position is that I can call anyone who has repented and been baptized my brother because scripture gives only those two commands.

From my understanding of Acts 18 and Acts 19, the HGB is a further experience with God. And I believe that it is the promise of God to all who believe. I just do not condemn those who have not yet received this experience.

Aquila and Prisicilla did not condemn Apollos for his limited knowledge. They expounded unto him the way of God better.

Paul considered those disciples he met in Ephesus as believers (Acts 19) and was was gonna increase their experience with God before he discovered that they had not even heard of the HolyGhost.

So, in short, what I'm saying is the HGB is for believers. But a person who has repented of their sins and been baptized is born again...

Indeed.

We are commanded to repent.
We are commanded to be baptized.
We are promised the Holy Ghost.

The first two are commandments upon us.
The last one is a promise to us.

The Bible says... repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ and ye SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If someone has fulfilled the commands is the promise of God lacking?

Steve Epley · #59 09-20-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

Brother Epley
would you comment on the linked thread please?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...23#post1098923

There are records throughout history. I have the Post Nicean Fathers and if you know what you are looking for they are mentioned as hereticks. Remember victors are the folks who write histories. The RCC from the 4th century onward ruled or influenced the world. That does not mean if you search they are not there. There is ample evidence from my studies and I am no historian of folks preaching the Acts 2:38 message and the absolute Oneness of God throughout history until the present.

Steve Epley · #60 09-20-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Indeed.

We are commanded to repent.
We are commanded to be baptized.
We are promised the Holy Ghost.

The first two are commandments upon us.
The last one is a promise to us.

The Bible says... repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ and ye SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

If someone has fulfilled the commands is the promise of God lacking?

Acts 1:4 they were COMMANDED not to depart from Jerusalem until the recieved the HGB.