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09-24-2011, 04:14 PM
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
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That's weak. In fact that is no answer at all for a couple of................ .
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If not them who else.
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09-24-2011, 04:49 PM
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If not them who else.
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The point is they didn't teach that. The next generation didn't teach that. The ante Nicean Fathers didn't teach that and NO ONE in church history taught the fundamental doctrine of the UPC prior to 1913 AD.
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09-24-2011, 04:51 PM
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Excuse me the verse does NOT say BEFORE it says FROM. You do know the difference between BEFORE and FROM I am certain. For eaxmple the same wording is found here "....that the blood of all the prophets, which was shed FROM the foundation of the world........."Luke11:50 Was there blood shed BEFORE the foundation of the world or FROM. FROM simply means SINCE not before. Then the passage you cite to provr your Calvinistic doctrine in Mt.25:34 teaches NO such thing. The kingdom prepared is given to those who DO certain things mentioned in verses 35-46!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT some mystical election without the choice and the obedience of those spoken to.
Someone explain to my friend the difference between BEFORE & FROM he is confused.  |
I don't consider myself a Calvinist at all,but to be fair, Ephesians 1:4 says "according as he has chosen us in him BEFORE the foundation of the world....."
Also 2 Timothy 1:9 "BEFORE the world began...."
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09-24-2011, 05:11 PM
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
One thing that I have learned is that you can not argue with age, even when wrong.
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09-24-2011, 05:22 PM
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
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One thing that I have learned is that you can not argue with age, even when wrong.
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OUCH!
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09-24-2011, 07:41 PM
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
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One thing that I have learned is that you can not argue with age, even when wrong.
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Berk,
You shouldn't want to argue with age, if you're wrong. I know what you
are saying, and I would hope the one, aged or not, would be willing to admit
wrong, IF indeed, they are wrong!
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09-24-2011, 07:52 PM
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Berk,
You shouldn't want to argue with age, if you're wrong. I know what you
are saying, and I would hope the one, aged or not, would be willing to admit
wrong, IF indeed, they are wrong!
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Indeed. But it is not uncommon for someone not to want to admit they were wrong for such a long time. It was a bitter pill for me to swallow and I was only in the movement 11 years.
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
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I answered you clearly with a Bible example of the way Jesus used the terminolgy. No mine or your name was written in the Book of Life BEFORE the foundation however my name has been written FROM the foundation according to Psa. 87:5-6 |
Then, as I have said, you ARE affirming the concept of "Predestination." 
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09-24-2011, 08:41 PM
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
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Berk,
You shouldn't want to argue with age, if you're wrong. I know what you
are saying, and I would hope the one, aged or not, would be willing to admit
wrong, IF indeed, they are wrong!
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I think I know who he's talking about but I'm really hahing a great time.
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09-24-2011, 08:47 PM
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Re: Is Acts.2:38 The One Plan Of Salvation ?
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I answered you clearly with a Bible example of the way Jesus used the terminolgy. No mine or your name was written in the Book of Life BEFORE the foundation however my name has been written FROM the foundation according to Psa. 87:5-6 |
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Then, as I have said, you ARE affirming the concept of "Predestination." |
... surely you don't believe that you were born before Psalm 87 was written? Or "the Book?"
You assert that the "Book of Life" contains your destiny. This destiny was preordained (your name written) before you could ever chose right from wrong. Before you were even in your mother's womb. That's Predestination. 
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