Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns - Page 183

MemphisTN · #**1821** 01-02-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I have no problem with poor people. There is a reason the ministry is elevated above the saints is to teach saints how to be saints.

If trailer park trash can afford a computer, a cell phone, or a webcam shows they are poor stewards of God's resources. Get off welfare before you proclaim you speak for God.

what the what? where are we going to with TRAILER PARK TRASH. ???? why is POOR PEOPLE or their SOCIAL STATUS in the MIX?????

everyone at this church and the WEB ON LINE church deserve to know the truth.

BrotherEastman · #**1822** 01-02-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MemphisTN

When this happened in 1985-1986 with the FORMER pastor and his family they threw him out, He even had is DAD the BISHOP of the UPIC come in to his defense but it didn't work, other people came and tried to say Let's over look this mishap. I do get what she is saying about forgetting all he has done. There is just too much going on here.

Starting to wonder whether you are gossiping about something in which you only may have part of the story. I know you say you were there, but that doesn't mean you know details. Just sayin'

Praxeas · #**1823** 01-02-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I have no problem with poor people. There is a reason the ministry is elevated above the saints is to teach saints how to be saints.

If trailer park trash can afford a computer, a cell phone, or a webcam shows they are poor stewards of God's resources. Get off welfare before you proclaim you speak for God.

The "Ministry" is to teach the rest of us how to be "Ministers"...to serve.

Eph 4:11 And truly He gave some to be apostles, and some to be prophets, and some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.

They are our servants.

Mat 20:26 However, it shall not be so among you. But whoever desires to be great among you, let him be your servant.

The Lemon · #**1824** 01-02-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yeah...that's a bunch of baloney. In a well working church the entire body is working in the fields and in the so called "Church House", with the Pastor equiping the body to do that work

No, he does not have that right. That is where bad pastors come from when they believe they have a right to take.

Yeah...what Prax said!

Seriously, giving at any and every level possible is just plain Christian...be that money, time, talent(s), etc. I do not have a problem per se on full time ministry, but I do have my own opinions on the pro's and possible con's of such.

I have had a full time pastor and I have had a pastor who owned a business outside of the church. Loved them both, respected them both. The biggest difference was that the full time pastor seemdd to be more out of touch with people's work / family schedules, and invented things to fill up church calendars, while the working pastor was very much in touch with said schedules.

Both were annointed, both uased of God. Just a side not, and not that it has anything to do with this thread, but my full time pastor was the one that backslid and lost his marbles shortly after a building program....just a thought.

Godzchild · #**1825** 01-02-2013, 02:51 PM

my family was there when all of this started to unfold! *EDITED BY ADMIN--SPECIFIC NAMES REMOVED*

Terry giving the new home on the "church property" to his son and his DIL......but all the while asking for more money in EVERY SERVICE......not once but 2-3 times....for different things....supposedly for the church fund.....bad news! I only feel sorry for one person in this! The mud will cling long after the scandel is over!

MemphisTN · #**1826** 01-02-2013, 02:53 PM

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Wow!!! I’ve just watch that sermon that Pastor Black preached concerning King David’s transgressions into adultery and murder, and how it was not because of David’s righteousness that God spared this man’s life, and to cleanse him from his guilt, but it was because David was a man that knew how to REPENT; even though the Prophet Nathan had to confront King David. How many times does God’s people today sin, but fail to repent, or to acknowledge their/our sins {keep them supposed hidden}; even with hearing the word over and over again???? My Lord, this sermon touches my heart because I’ve been there as David was with longtime lingering guilt of sins {all of us in some form of sin(s)}, and it took the convictions of God to move me/us to REPENT; this sermons blesses me, reminds me, and humbles my heart to know that we fall short and sin many times over, but it’s the unlimited MERCY and GRACE of God that’s ready to forgive, and to CLEANSE us from ALL unrighteousness. The Psalms 51:1-14 has/is a favorite passage of scriptures oftentimes used by myself to go before God in penitence, and asking for forgiveness of my faults, shortcomings, and sin, and to renew, and restore me Lord back to your grace-in Jesus name!!!! This sermon; though preached many years ago is a REMINDER to us ALL: WE CAN FALL SHORT AND COMMITT GRIEVIOUS SINS, BUT GOD IS THERE WATING/READY TO FORGIVE, BUT WE MUST CONFESS-REPENT, AND TURN FROM THAT/THOSE SINS.

wow they sure are pulling down HIS SERMOMS off the internet really quick. I keep trying to watch these links and they are gone nothing. Hmmmm wonder why?

Godzchild · #**1827** 01-02-2013, 03:11 PM

UPCI should pull everything he has touched and said off the internet! He is a mockery UNTIL he repents in from of his congregation and GOD (wrong order) but even after....he has not rights to teach or preach to ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MemphisTN · #**1828** 01-02-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Nice try. The protocol to approach an offending brother is found in Matthew 18:15-17. Paul used this method when dealing with the perversion in the Corinthian church. It seemed to work well for him. One other point.

Which poster personally spoke with TB in private? Thought so. Skip the part about going to the person in private and devour him on a public forum. Again show of hands of people who followed the protocol Jesus established in Matthew? Any confront TB with two or three witnesses? Did you take your offense to the congration? Probably not. They would look at you as if you are wierd. If you are offended by the Memphis Mess, at least pretend to be a christian following the directives Jesus established.

The main part of the scripture you should have highlighted was if the brother sinned against thee. Did TB personally do something against you? Clearly the scripture indicates there has to be a personal involvement to the offense. Maybe this was one of the ways Christ was trying to reduce gossip.

1st of all , the UPCI church is the church as a whole. Personal , what the ........ are you talking about personal. Bro Black did this to the entire UPCI group, not just his people in that building, do you realize how many people watch you guys on line live on the WEB? I guess you don't think those of us on the web should KNOW THE TRUTH? or do you ? Even if you belong to another church but you may watch this church on LINE because you love the music or the teaching then he did it to those people to. So you cannot say that Nothing was done personal to this certain person when you don't know if he is a WEB WATCHER or not. SORRY but he needs to ADMIT to the world of the WEB his actions because once you guys GO LIVE ON LINE you have opened up the old saying US 4 & NO MORE, to the whole world. YOU guys in the UPCI religion think that its just in those walls, but remember what TOM TRIMBLE (terry blacks cousin) wrote that song BEYOND THESE WALLS. Your church opened up those walls and went out into the PUBLIC on line so this is about EVERYONE who has ever watched. you don't know that this guy he might be paying tithes to this church in secret and there fore he deserves an answer. Get over it already. you cannot keep things SECRET and in those walls not when you have opened up to BROADCAStiNG to the world, Those days are over the old saying US 4 & NO MORE.
thats the way you would like it, but that's GONE when the WWW WORLD WIDE WEB came into play your church opened up its doors to MEMBERS on the WEB. So how do you know who is paying TITHES and OFFERINGS with credit cards and checks in the mail. U DON"T .

MemphisTN · #**1829** 01-02-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

no disrespect intended, but you should really paragraph your posts and space between so that your post aren't to difficult to read.

BTW, Wasn't N.P Urshan the original pastor of the church in question?

Yes He was. I thought i stated that..........sorry about my writing i will try harder to make it eaiser on you and others.

MemphisTN · #**1830** 01-02-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yeah...that's a bunch of baloney. In a well working church the entire body is working in the fields and in the so called "Church House", with the Pastor equiping the body to do that work

No, he does not have that right. That is where bad pastors come from when they believe they have a right to take.

There is scripture that says the man of God has the right to 100 % of the tithes. It's the offerings that pays the church bills and the pastor can take 100%, most do not because they cannot operate like that, but there are some that do.