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Old 05-26-2007, 06:02 PM
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Again, you avoid the obvious.

I perhaps should have enlarged on the whole of the definition of EN and TACHOS together but I really didn't think that it would have been neccessary in light of the OBVIOUS that I addressed. You consistently take things out of context and address only bits and pieces that you can twist to mislead others with. It is really amazing that anyone would follow after that, even with your writing gifts.

Am I the ONLY one that can see through your ERROR? If so, I will alone continue to address it.

The exact same words used by John in Rev. 1:1 are again used by Jesus in the very last chapter of the bible:

shortly [1722] en
(with Strongs #) [5034] tachos
be done. [1096] ginomai

"En" signifies STATE. "Tachos" signify speed. "Ginomai" signify what must happen in history.

Your insistence on Rev. 1:1 as what follows in Revelation must then come to pass shortly must also include those things mentioned in the entirety of the book including all of Revelation 22 as well.

Rev 22:6 ¶ And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Your insistence upon a quick speed of time in transition of all things in regard to some parts of Revelation as you see it, i.e. Roman Armies, the old city of Jerusalem, Nero, Titus and all of that which you claim came to pass in 70AD as fulfillment of the Revelation prophecy insisting upon the idea that the "time is at hand," or "shortly come to pass," in this regard is a serious flaw in spiritual thinking, without including the literal coming of Jesus with your same definition.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Can it get any plainer? Spiritual STATE is the subject of Revelation and NOT NERO, 70AD and the old NATURAL city of Jerusalem.

Rev 22:12 ¶ And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Using your own natural reasoning, then it is obvious that everything prophesied in Revelation has already happened including Revelation 19, 20, 21 and 22.

Before I get back to my proposition found in my first post, please explain how the scriptures can also use "en tachos ginomai," in Revelation 22 and then YOU state that Jesus has NOT literally returned.

I will maintain my position that the crux of the whole matter is found in the preposition "EN," which transcends the natural, carnal, material, world and its events, but is rather as "EN" indicates, a matter of SPIRITUAL STATE....

For some reason, you will deny the obvious.
I looked it up in my Strongs and I fail to see where these to words mean anything but shortly...
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