I have no problem with accountability and judgment.
I don't believe the traditional conclusion of the accountability and judgment. There are many consequences of one actions in this life and I'm sure in the life to come. But you cannot believe the traditional view of "hell" and also honestly believe that "God is fair or just".
Some define hell in the traditional sense and declare God just and fair, just because it is what God does. That is sheer nonsense, if a doctrine is NOT just or fair, that doctrine is a very false doctrine, and humans that believe it are ignorant or stupid, and "...know NOT God..."
I found an interesting comment, which I didn't save, but it was regarding the Noah movie. The person was saying that as much as it wasn't true to Biblical account on many points and that they weren't especially religious, but that after viewing the movie, they came away with the thought that they could see why God wanted to annihilate the population - it was just a bunch of really evil people acting evil. I thought - great! If there was some redeeming quality from the movie, I missed that possibility. LOL!
I think we have a really hard time believing that God knows a person's heart, just like the rich young ruler - who on the outside looked all lined out in every proper way, only to find out, he wasn't as willing as he appeared to be.
I think that God went to great extent to be precise in every thing He calculated, and his grace, mercy and having the mind of not being a respecter of persons has to do with "remembering that we are dust", but it doesn't ever dismiss the rather intense fact that the assessment of our heart is at issue. We are without excuse, and only God knows these things.
So, I believe that I Cor 5:12 is saying, in effect, not to judge someone outside the church as though their life has been completed. We should confine our judgment to those inside (by their fruits).
We can through the blood of Jesus be all of these things.
Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Corinthians 1:8
Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So, due the human failure of a third party, God sends folks to hell?
This cannot be.... It is very contrary to "...God is not a respecter of persons....."
It is not that God sends them hell it is that they have earned and worked for hell and for God to withhold their wages would be unjust. mankind chooses hell. If you take somes wages from them you are called a thief would you therefore make God a thief?
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Originally Posted by crakjak
God is love, and all that that entails.
Humans attribute all kinds of things to God, that is simply human interpretation.
Information properly interpreted produces knowledge and wisdom, improperly interpreted produces confusion.
Faith is believing that God is Love, and living accordingly, knowing that as humans, it is impossible for us to properly interpret God as He truly is. Just read this thread, it is a bunch of confusion, so the info is improperly interpreted.
God is first and foremost holy.
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Originally Posted by crakjak
I did not vote, because, I do not judge God, except that He is love and that's enough for me. It's His world, and I believe...."the judge of the world will do right..." In that confidence, I live in peace and expectation. If He, in whom "...we live and move and have our being, and in whom all things are held together..." didn't have a righteous and glorious plan for all humans, He would not have create us.
So, get over the fear and live in His provision....!!!!
very interesting choice of scripture to back up your point seeing as how that was spoken to God by Abraham just before God went to Sodom and Gomorrah. After Abraham finishes pleading with God those two cities were destroyed because it was right. Jude gives us further info as to their state and puts it this way:
Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
So yes i also agree that the Judge of all the earth shall do right.
Mankind chooses to sin and the wages of sin is deatherefore when mankind chooses to sin they are choosesing to earn hell.
So, is it just a coincidence, an incredible coincidence, against astronomical odds, that it just so happens that every single human being that ever lived chose to sin?
Uh. No. Every single human who ever lived (according to the story) chooses to sin because that have to. They can't not sin. It's impossible. They were designed that way.
But don't blame the designer. That's not allowed.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Not to mention that not everyone actually believes there is a hell. There is no more reason that than to believe in Valhalla or that Mormons will get their own planet in their afterlife. Choice. That's the only reason to believe in things like that.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
So, is it just a coincidence, an incredible coincidence, against astronomical odds, that it just so happens that every single human being that ever lived chose to sin?
Uh. No. Every single human who ever lived (according to the story) chooses to sin because that have to. They can't not sin. It's impossible. They were designed that way.
But don't blame the designer. That's not allowed.
mankind chooses to sin he does not have to. If a man lies is it because he had to, the words just forced themselves out? If a man shoots and murders a man did the gun just magically appear in his hand loaded and aimed while the trigger is pulled by some unseen force? Both of these are clearly impossible. When a man lies it is to hide something that he would rather not reveal therefore he CHOOSE to lie. If a man shoots and murders someone it is because he picked up the gun pointed and pulled the trigger. no one is forced to sin but all who sin do so because they choose to.
Not to mention that not everyone actually believes there is a hell. There is no more reason that than to believe in Valhalla or that Mormons will get their own planet in their afterlife. Choice. That's the only reason to believe in things like that.
Not everyone believes that people landed on the moon but that doesnt change the truth.
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