Which OT laws apply to us today?

[good samaritan]

The law was only supplemental. The ten commandments where moral laws that dealt with relationships we have with God and the rest of humanity. Without the indwelling Spirit of God people depended on that written law for their instructions on how to love one another.

Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance:against such there is no law.

By walking in the Spirit we follow the core of the law. That is the missing element in the OT. The law could never change the hearts of the adherents, but it only became a legal practice. Just like today, they found loopholes. That is why Jesus always found the pharisee's to be so opposing. They became good at following legal practices while inwardly being wicked. Our focus isn't to be law keepers but Holy Ghost followers. In some areas they may coincide, but being led of the Spirit is the objective. I don't treat my wife the way I do because I fear going to jail, but because I love her. We place ourselves in obedience to God because we love and reverence Him. This is a complicated answer that many people either go extreme right or left on, instead of understanding that it is about a relationship with God.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The law was only supplemental. The ten commandments where moral laws that dealt with relationships we have with God and the rest of humanity. Without the indwelling Spirit of God people depended on that written law for their instructions on how to love one another.
Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance:against such there is no law.
By walking in the Spirit we follow the core of the law. That is the missing element in the OT. The law could never change the hearts of the adherents, but it only became a legal practice. Just like today, they found loopholes. That is why Jesus always found the pharisee's to be so opposing. They became good at following legal practices while inwardly being wicked. Our focus isn't to be law keepers but Holy Ghost followers. In some areas they may coincide, but being led of the Spirit is the objective. I don't treat my wife the way I do because I fear going to jail, but because I love her. We place ourselves in obedience to God because we love and reverence Him. This is a complicated answer that many people either go extreme right or left on, instead of understanding that it is about a relationship with God.

Very good answer. On the first paragraph you wrote: "Without the
indwelling Spirit of God people depended on that written law...".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Very good answer. On the first paragraph you wrote: "Without the
indwelling Spirit of God people depended on that written law...".

[Aquila]

I felt the need to present this.

We read something interesting in Scripture...

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall...

If election is entirely an act of God and is predetermined from eternity past... How does one "make their calling and election sure"?

Only the Arminian perspective truly answers this. The answer is... the believer makes their calling and election sure through the following:

giving all diligence
adding to faith virtue
to virtue knowledge
to knowledge temperance
to temperance patience
to patience godliness
to godliness brotherly kindness
to brotherly kindness love

By abiding in these things, as one abides in Christ, one makes their calling and election sure. Notice... it isn't by keeping the law. It is essentially through the manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit.

love
joy
peace
forbearance
kindness
goodness
faithfulness
gentleness
self-control

Instead of focusing on law that teaches what not to do... we are to live by attitudes and behaviors that we are supposed to do in the name of Christ. Be loving, joyful, patient, kind, good, faithful, gentle, and self-controlled.

This is what God desires to see in our lives. Not law keeping.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I felt the need to present this.
We read something interesting in Scripture...

2 Peter 1:10
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall...

If election is entirely an act of God and is predetermined from eternity past... How does one "make their calling and election sure"?
Only the Arminian perspective truly answers this. The answer is... the believer makes their calling and election sure through the following:

giving all diligence
adding to faith virtue
to virtue knowledge
to knowledge temperance
to temperance patience
to patience godliness
to godliness brotherly kindness
to brotherly kindness love

By abiding in these things, as one abides in Christ, one makes their calling and election sure. Notice... it isn't by keeping the law. It is essentially through the manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit.

love
joy
peace
forbearance
kindness
goodness
faithfulness
gentleness
self-control

Instead of focusing on law that teaches what not to do... we are to live by attitudes and behaviors that we are supposed to do in the name of Christ. Be loving, joyful, patient, kind, good, faithful, gentle, and self-controlled.
This is what God desires to see in our lives. Not law keeping.

Interesting: here are my thoughts:
Man is called by God to repent. He can believe and repent, or believe and NOT repent.
If the man believes and repents, he is empowered to obey; that is, led to the waters of
baptism in the NAME of Jesus, and then to the PROMISE of eternal life.
If man does not repent, but still believes, he allows himself to be deceived, and his
unbelief will be manifest when the Lord proclaims: "I never knew you...".

As for Pet 1:10, it corresponds to Rom. 12:1-2. It is the empowering by the
Holy Spirit to bring our minds and bodies into subjection to the Lord Jesus.

[Scott Pitta]

Tome, believe and repentance are 2 sides of the same coin.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The law was only supplemental. The ten commandments where moral laws that dealt with relationships we have with God and the rest of humanity. Without the indwelling Spirit of God people depended on that written law for their instructions on how to love one another.

Galations 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance:against such there is no law.

By walking in the Spirit we follow the core of the law. That is the missing element in the OT. The law could never change the hearts of the adherents, but it only became a legal practice. Just like today, they found loopholes. That is why Jesus always found the pharisee's to be so opposing. They became good at following legal practices while inwardly being wicked. Our focus isn't to be law keepers but Holy Ghost followers. In some areas they may coincide, but being led of the Spirit is the objective. I don't treat my wife the way I do because I fear going to jail, but because I love her. We place ourselves in obedience to God because we love and reverence Him. This is a complicated answer that many people either go extreme right or left on, instead of understanding that it is about a relationship with God.

Very well said!!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Instead of focusing on law that teaches what not to do... we are to live by attitudes and behaviors that we are supposed to do in the name of Christ. Be loving, joyful, patient, kind, good, faithful, gentle, and self-controlled.

This is what God desires to see in our lives. Not law keeping.

Very, very true Aquila! Law keeping was what the Pharisees did best, but heart keeping was where they failed.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Very, very true Aquila! Law keeping was what the Pharisees did best, but heart keeping was where they failed.

Amen!!

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

To me, believe and repentance are 2 sides of the same coin.

The old "Two sides to the Coin" doctrine. (LOL) I haven't used that in a while.
And I must agree with you whole-heartedly.

However, I was thinking on this scripture: "For godly sorrow works repentance
to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world works death."
There is a natural faith that believes in God's existence, but it does not measure
up to believing in God's promises.
(Heb. 11:6): "...for he that comes to God must believe that He IS,
AND that He is a rewarder of of them that diligently seek Him."

The scripture in Hebrews corresponds very nicely with the Lord's words in
Mk. 16:16__"He that believes AND is baptized shall be saved."