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09-20-2015, 04:49 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
well, the elements apparently are melted by the "fire" one, so i don't know...
might be the difference in "world" and "earth."
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09-20-2015, 08:21 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
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well, the elements apparently are melted by the "fire" one, so i don't know...
might be the difference in "world" and "earth."
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But did you notice how the bible uses ELEMENTS in the rest of the New Testament, in Galatians 4?
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
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But did you notice how the bible uses ELEMENTS in the rest of the New Testament, in Galatians 4? |
no, i did not. hmm.
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09-20-2015, 09:31 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
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But did you notice how the bible uses ELEMENTS in the rest of the New Testament, in Galatians 4? |
Mike, what are you saying?....
It is true isnt it?
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09-20-2015, 09:32 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?
Well?
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09-20-2015, 09:36 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
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Mike, what are you saying?....
It is true isnt it?
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I am saying read how ELEMENTS are used in Galatians to understand what it means in Peter, after Peter referred to the PEOPLE who perished as the WORLD in Noah's day.
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09-20-2015, 10:46 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
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Originally Posted by Sean
Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?
Well?
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Sean, if the planet earth is destroyed by fire is that the old heaven and earth passing away in Revelation 21?
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09-21-2015, 08:57 AM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
Sean.
What about Isaiah 13.
Take this verse in context of the chapter.
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
The prophet is speaking here about the day of the Lord coming. Then he speaks that the sun shall be darkened.
Then he goes on to say
Isa 13:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
Isa 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
Isa 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
Isa 13:18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.
Now if the sun and the elements are literal then how could the medes still be coming to wreak havoc on this people?
Sean, you are making the mistake that dispensationalists make. You have the same problem that Nicodemus had in John 3. You are making literal and physical what is not literal and physical.
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09-21-2015, 05:03 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
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Originally Posted by Sean
Mike, since you are involved and do not agree with what Peter seemingly said, please tell the viewers on AFF what Peter "REALLY" meant by this passage....
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Is this "really" telling us the Law(heavens), Jewish religion(elements) and the Jews(earth) are ready to dissolved by fire?
Well?
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Must I assume that you guys believe this?
Indeed I must.....
Hey everyone on AFF.....Mike and Benencasa believe that Peter was saying that the Law, the Jewish religion and the Jews were ready to be destroyed by fire, not the world as we know it!!!
It was Peters' secret code that he must have been writing in this passage!!!...LOL
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09-21-2015, 05:06 PM
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Re: Scoffers on AFF
I wonder why the secret code words boys?
I am glad Paul was not as afraid of the Jews, than Jesus and Peter were, because you have Jesus(35 Heaven(temple) and earth(Jews) shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.) and Peter using secret code words for "heaven and earth".....LOLOLOL
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