Scoffers on AFF - Page 40

Sean · #**391** 10-04-2015, 10:25 AM

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An intelligent teacher uses the active O.T. Law to bring sinners under the condemnation of it, to cause them to repent.

Then when the sinner is born again, they are to be told the Law is not their judge anymore, neither are they under it anymore.

Learn the Apostles teaching method Benencasa, okay?

LOL

Sean · #**392** 10-04-2015, 10:26 AM

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I got a funny feeling that Peter was not talking about the Jews here....LOL

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

The Jews, their religion and their places of worship burning up with fervent heat?.....NOT!

LOL

Benencasa says that Peter said..."God will burn them Jews, their religion and their Law"....LOLOL!

LOL

Sean · #**393** 10-04-2015, 10:26 AM

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Has any one noticed that Benencasa is terrified to post his belief of this passage....

10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Because Benencasa will be run out of town when he tells us what he really thinks it is saying as follows....

10 but the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the temple shall pass away with a great noise, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat, the Jews also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the temple being on fire shall be dissolved, and the Jewish religion shall melt with fervent heat?

The reason Benencasa wont post his beliefs as described above, is like I have been saying...he is very embarrassed to be laughed at.

LOL

shazeep · #**394** 10-04-2015, 02:43 PM

yikes, competitive much?

Evang.Benincasa · #**395** 10-04-2015, 10:28 PM

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You actually think the Law was for the Jews only? You think that the Law was not for the Gentiles? You think the Gentiles will not be judged by the Law?

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law(written Law) , do by nature the things contained in the law(written Law), these, having not the law(written Law), are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law(written Law) written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

Benincasa, only Jews are to apply this verse?...4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Benincasa, you have "literally" bumped your head if you think this verse is for Jews only.....LOL

No son, you bumped your head, and you are not addressing my comments in my post. I posted, that no Gentile was allowed to offer animal sacrifice through a high priest, and they were totally forbidden to keep the Passover with the Israelis if they were not circumcised and promise to keep the whole of the law. You have absolutely no clue as to what and why the temple even stood on the Mount Moriah and the importance it held in the Ancient Judean's life. Every jot and tittle was the whole of the law, including temple sacrifices, priesthood, Aaronic, as well as the Zadokites, all things which concerned their duties. You still have failed to deal with my question, but to be fair, that is only because you don't understand my question. You were too busy reading Search For Truth like it was holy religious parchment.

Jesus said I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God's law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

Explain?

shag · #**396** 10-04-2015, 10:39 PM

Hebrews 8:13

Evang.Benincasa · #**397** 10-04-2015, 10:57 PM

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Hebrews 8:13

By using the words, "a new Covenant," He has made the first one obsolete; but whatever is decaying and showing signs of old age is NOT FAR from disappearing altogether.

Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, Rambam listed 613 Mitzvot. Jesus taught that whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. This was only directed to the Judean who was part of His listening audience when He was saying these words. Moral laws which the Israeli and Judean followed were also followed by the Gentiles doing what by nature the things contained in the law, hence being a law unto themselves. Yet, Gentiles were not permitted to keep ceremonial law, or offer animal sacrifices through the hands of a high priest as prescribed in the law. Therefore every jot and tittle was not kept by any Gentile, and therefore the meaning of Jesus' words could only have force to the first century Judean.

Godsdrummer · #**398** 10-05-2015, 12:02 AM

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Hey fella....everything IS accomplished!.....For the believer ONLY!

You think that Jesus died to end the very Law [U]that was made to condemn unbelievers!
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You think that unbelievers are not under any standards of condemnation now?

Only BELIEVERS are not under these standards of condemnation!

Are you okay?.....LOL

I guess you don't believe the words of Christ.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

You might notice that they were not condemned by the law, but rather because the did not believe in the name of the begotten son of God.

Godsdrummer · #**399** 10-05-2015, 12:17 AM

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Benencasa thinks all of the above has melted away with fervent heat, including the O.T. Law(which is actually the entire O.T.).....LOL

Sean what does a group of people forming a nation calling themselves Jews have to do with prophecy. These people you want to claim to be the children of God, are of the same mind set as the religious leaders that put Christ on the cross.

There is not one place is scripture that says God will restore the nation of Israel. The only way they can be saved is the same way all of us are saved, by calling on the name of the Lord. Which they will never do because the don't believe in Christ.

Sean · #**400** 10-05-2015, 02:59 PM

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Hebrews 8:13

Glad you brought that up shag.....

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

This is about the New Covenant with MILLENNIAL ISRAEL, quoting Jeremiah 31......

Now here is the New Covenant to future Israel.....

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This(above) has nothing to do with the New Testament church, but future Millennial Israel only.

However, we now, are in a PARTIAL experience(foretaste), relating to the future Holy Ghost filled, Millennial Israel....

This small section is for the Church.......

Hebrews 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Did you notice that Israel is excluded in this portion?

That is because chapter 8 is exclusively about Israel and Chapter 10 is exclusively about the Church.