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10-04-2015, 07:07 PM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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That is Mark Hanby's website. What does Mark Hanby have to do with Deacon's post? Also do you, J.A. Perez know who Mark Hanby is?
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Sorry officer.
I was just curious, I had no idea you were the thought police around here.
I will remember that you are the deacons shoe shine boy.  My bad
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10-05-2015, 05:30 PM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
No.
Please elaborate.
Will you please tell me?
Who is Mark Hanby?
What is his son's name?
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10-06-2015, 12:14 AM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Awesome post bro.
If you want to expedite your soul winning efforts, try bringing a Search for Truth mini chart into Starbucks and teach someone all 10 lessons, right by the condiment table. You will amaze folks, turn heads, get folks peering over your shoulder in wonder and get many leads!
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Yes. 1970s technology always draws a crowd.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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10-06-2015, 12:16 PM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
That chart thing needs to be updated. It is filled with error. They need to continue searching...
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10-06-2015, 10:12 PM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Sorry officer.
I was just curious, I had no idea you were the thought police around here.
I will remember that you are the deacons shoe shine boy. My bad |
Wow! Why the insults? Do you think it was a unreasonable question when out of the blue you ask somebody what they think about MH's website? I was just trying to figure out the relevance and why you brought it up. I don't know you and also was curious if you knew who MH was.
So now that you have gotten your childish insults out of the way can you answer as to why you asked Deacon about him? That is not being any kind of "thought police" but is being curious as to what connection you made between them.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-06-2015, 10:17 PM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
No.
Please elaborate.
Will you please tell me?
Who is Mark Hanby?
What is his son's name?
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MH is a former UPC pastor / evangelist from the 1960;s and 1970's. He was one of the top two or three sought after evangelist and camp meeting speakers of his day. He also pastored what was at the time one of the largest churches in the UPC. It was in Ft. Worth Texas and ran around 1500 people back when only Calvary Tabernacle in Indy, Life Tabernacle, and CLC in Stockton did.
He left the UPC in the late 70's over the TV issue but a few years later had a moral failure or failures and was forced to resign his church (which then promptly fell apart despite the next pastors efforts).
I have changed enough that I don't know if I would feel the same way today hearing them but at the time (early to late 70's)I, along with a lot of other people, thought he was hands down the best preacher in the UPC.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-06-2015, 11:21 PM
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Pride of the Neighborhood
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Originally Posted by CC1
Wow! Why the insults? Do you think it was a unreasonable question when out of the blue you ask somebody what they think about MH's website? I was just trying to figure out the relevance and why you brought it up. I don't know you and also was curious if you knew who MH was.
So now that you have gotten your childish insults out of the way can you answer as to why you asked Deacon about him? That is not being any kind of "thought police" but is being curious as to what connection you made between them.
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The irony here is that my dad was a new convert when MH was evangelizing as a young preacher. My dad was so impressed w him he named me Mark after MH.
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When a newspaper posed the question, "What's Wrong with the World?" G. K. Chesterton reputedly wrote a brief letter in response: "Dear Sirs: I am. Sincerely Yours, G. K. Chesterton." That is the attitude of someone who has grasped the message of Jesus.
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10-06-2015, 11:51 PM
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NW Acts 2:38 Son
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Originally Posted by CC1
MH is a former UPC pastor / evangelist from the 1960;s and 1970's. He was one of the top two or three sought after evangelist and camp meeting speakers of his day. He also pastored what was at the time one of the largest churches in the UPC. It was in Ft. Worth Texas and ran around 1500 people back when only Calvary Tabernacle in Indy, Life Tabernacle, and CLC in Stockton did.
He left the UPC in the late 70's over the TV issue but a few years later had a moral failure or failures and was forced to resign his church (which then promptly fell apart despite the next pastors efforts).
I have changed enough that I don't know if I would feel the same way today hearing them but at the time (early to late 70's)I, along with a lot of other people, thought he was hands down the best preacher in the UPC.
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Yes, this is my point, when you loose Holiness and seperation you have lost your God. And the end is the same.
Maybe this is the reason good men have burdens for others that are letting down. Maybe the reason we fast and pray for our friends they're letting go of the old path. Maybe this is why we shed tears in prayer rooms and call out names of the brethren at once believed this. Yes this is the heartbeat of every man of God that hates to see How have the mighty Fallen."
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Im just doing my best, untill I learn to do better. Thank God I'm not what I used to be!
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10-07-2015, 09:38 AM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez
Yes, this is my point, when you loose Holiness and seperation you have lost your God. And the end is the same.
Maybe this is the reason good men have burdens for others that are letting down. Maybe the reason we fast and pray for our friends they're letting go of the old path. Maybe this is why we shed tears in prayer rooms and call out names of the brethren at once believed this. Yes this is the heartbeat of every man of God that hates to see How have the mighty Fallen."
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I am assuming you mean "lose" holiness and not "loose" holiness as you wrote. Not casting stones here because my spelling is terrible but there is a distinct difference between the two in the context you wrote it!
No longer being a legalist has nothing to do with a person having "lost your God". If you were to be honest you would admit that moral failure occurs in ultra con, conservative, moderate and liberal churches.
I will say there is one aspect of what you say that I agree with. When a conservative Pentecostal pastor is caught in a moral failure then all of sudden reinvents himself as a "liberal" and drops the legalism he strongly supported right up to the point of his moral failure being found out then I get very suspicious. It is hard to tell if his having to confront his own weakness caused him to step back and take a look at everything anew and he has a genuine new understanding or if he is just trying to save the only thing he knows to do to earn money, his pulpit ministry, by going to a different audience once he knows he is no longer welcome in his old group.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-07-2015, 09:48 AM
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Re: REPRISE: How Starbucks Saved My Ministry
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Originally Posted by J.A. Perez
Yes, this is my point, when you loose Holiness and seperation you have lost your God. And the end is the same.
Maybe this is the reason good men have burdens for others that are letting down. Maybe the reason we fast and pray for our friends they're letting go of the old path. Maybe this is why we shed tears in prayer rooms and call out names of the brethren at once believed this. Yes this is the heartbeat of every man of God that hates to see How have the mighty Fallen."
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Brother, maybe the mighty that have fallen are not as mighty as anyone else?
Everyone alive is in the exact same boat of sin.
When anyone stops walking in the Spirit, they lose their holiness, because holiness is an attribute of the Holy Ghost within.
The only mighty, is the Spirit of the ALMIGHTY inside of our sinful flesh.
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