Are Trinitarians Saved?

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

We might not agree with Trinitarians, but we love them, and you are welcome here.

That is appreciated, ma'am. However, it seems the prevaling response of Oneness Pentecostals is the same old message of Islam, daughter of Babylon -- convert or die. Your gracious (Revelation 22.21) is uncommon.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I'll no longer be posting on this board. Wisdom is justified of all her children, thus, I do not see a point in continuing here as Trinitarians are unwelcomed. Thanks all for the invaluable information. May the Ancient of Days who is the Father, the Faithful and True, Jesus Christ and the blessed power of Pentecost Sacred Spirit if he will have mercy on you all. Amen.

Waiting to see you return under another alias.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

I'll no longer be posting on this board. Wisdom is justified of all her children, thus, I do not see a point in continuing here as Trinitarians are unwelcomed. Thanks all for the invaluable information. May the Ancient of Days who is the Father, the Faithful and True, Jesus Christ and the blessed power of Pentecost Sacred Spirit if he will have mercy on you all. Amen.

SB you cannot even get along with other Trinitarians, so I do not know what you expected here.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

That is appreciated, ma'am. However, it seems the prevaling response of Oneness Pentecostals is the same old message of Islam, daughter of Babylon -- convert or die. Your gracious (Revelation 22.21) is uncommon.

Stop, you came here with accusations of heresy against us.
But, when you weren’t greeted with “yes, we’re modalist heretics, here wipe your feet on our backs. Please how may we help you?” You cry foul? When we pinpoint some forms of the Baptist persuasion you claim some ancient originals going back to 33 AD? You say you aren’t a Protestant but constantly refer to the Catholic Church as she was in Vatican I? Sorry, but you are the same old Apostolic Hater who came to sow seeds.

[Esaias]

So, Strict Baptist doesn't like pointed questions, so he runs off?

lol

What is with people these days?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

i love it when people like you condemn those who you say condemn others.

How have I condemned? Except pointing out your arrogance is unchristian, and your full preterism is akin to an ancient heresy addressed in the strongest terms by the apostle Paul. I haven't called you a reprobate, or hopeless, nor rejoiced at the thought of you going to hell while insulting you, posting smiley faces, and explanation points. Can you say the same? Can Steve Epley say the same? No.

Do I think you are hopeless? Absolutely not. Do I believe you should repent of your aggressive attitude and eschatological heresy, yes I do.

Let's see, all Trinitarians are lost. But out of one side of your mouth you ask that my eyes be open
to whatever mess you are currently in, and from the other side you curse me on a death bed.

What are you talking about? This is borderline nonsensical.

Curse you on your deathbed? By pleading with you to consider your own mortality, and to therefore extend some grace to others, and allow God to judge those who claim to belong to Him? That's cursing you on your deathbed? Good grief, you expect anyone to take you seriously? You have a victim complex.

Does not even scripture say "who are you to judge another man's servant? We shall all stand at the judgment seat of Christ."

Why is allowing God to be God offensive to you? Are you afraid His judgment will be different?

Will you object and stamp your feet if a trinitarian is in heaven? Will you pout as Jonah at the repentance of Ninevah? Complain as John, that you command them to stop preaching in Christ's name because they were not part of your group? Will you behave as Judas when Mary broke the box of spikenard to serve Christ? Honestly would you be angry to see John MacArthur, Paul Washer, or even MYSELF in heaven? Would you feel cheated? Slighted? Jealous? I honestly wonder how it would make you feel.

As far as Brother Epley, he has been around way longer than you. Hasn't changed, keeps motoring along, while you go after him?

I go after him because 1) he is vocal on this subject, 2)he posted in THIS thread.
Secondly, why does it matter how long he's been around. Billy Graham was 99, I guess that settles the debate. Foolishness.
He hasn't changed? Neither has the Pope, nor did Charles Manson, nor has Donald Trump. Who cares? Longevity in a single opinion or worldview isn't a strength based simply on the amount of time one consistently believes said thing. Is this really the best you can do? You really are flustered aren't you.

Is this why you tell me to leave all the time? Not to post here? You don't like your authority and opinions questioned. You don't like it when someone throws it right down the strike zone and it hits a little close to home. You are the one who puts "evangelist" in front of his name. Why? It looks silly when people name themselves"Bishop", "apostle" even "pastor" as their screen name. Are we supposed to then admire you more? Do your opinions count for extra points? You huff and puff, condemn all others, then cry foul if I even give you back one fifth of what you dish out. Why? Are you so insecure? So afraid of being wrong, you must lash out continually?


Funny, I don't see him post as much as boo devil boo to you. Yet, he is heavy on your mind. Jason, I'll say this again. If I ever left a movement or a religion, I sure wouldn't be posting on their forums wanting them to lick my open wounds. Get help boy, get help.

I post here because I have done so since 2007. Because whether you like it or not I was part of the oneness movement for 10 years. I'm hardly the only ex-UPCer here, but you wish to run me down the road. I still believe in oneness theology, but according to you I shouldn't post here. I still believe in baptism in the name of Jesus, but don't belong here. You simply can't stand not to control everything to the point a oneness believer who baptizes in Jesus name isn't welcome on the same forum because he doesn't believe like you do about tongues or agree on who is going to hell. It's childish. And silly. You and others predicted my demise, reprobation, and even death, but here I am 8 years later, still serving God, still in church, still married, kids still serving God, etc. But this being so, I suppose that is all you have left is ad hominem attacks.

Will you now say I am mean, and play the victim yet again? Attack me with a more forceful personal attack? Or drop this whole Fred Phelps like persona and actually discuss things without wholly misrepresenting anything anyone says who disagrees with you?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

do you not consider the day of your own death drawing near? Do you even fear God, or must you usurp Him in pride and arrogance, placing yourselves hypothetically on the great white throne?

Originally Posted by Jason B

How have I condemned?

Your warning of us not believing your insanity so therefore we usurp God. Therefore following your statements conclusion would obviously be a lake of fire. Jason., guys like you forget your own posting history. Also the smack yourself have posted over the years. Man up bro, also check your T levels.

Originally Posted by Jason B

I
Except pointing out your arrogance is unchristian, and your full preterism is akin to an ancient heresy addressed in the strongest terms by the apostle Paul.

My arrogance? What about your's? Bro, when you come here knowing what people believe and then tell us how we are legalists and you are free? Jason, I'll say it again, as long as I have known you you have swung from far and wide. You were handing out CDs of your no tithing pastor ( I had to hound you for the copies you PROMISED me) then when he ran out of fashion with you, you dumped him. Bro, you aren't very consistent. Eschatology is the least of anyone's problem when they are as stable as you.

Originally Posted by Jason B

I
I haven't called you a reprobate,

Yes you have, maybe you should go back and check out your past posts with me. Jason no problem dude, you are a disgruntled ex-whatever, you come to a forum to slum, post a few disparaging posts and disappear again.

Originally Posted by Jason B

I
or hopeless, nor rejoiced at the thought of you going to hell while insulting you, posting smiley faces, and explanation points. Can you say the same? Can Steve Epley say the same? No.

Jason, you go reread what you have posted to me in the past. Remember, you and I were once on talking terms. You changed, not me. You went native, I stayed on the res. Walking barefoot on lotus petals ever so gently with piety dripping from your lips? Save it. How long have we been posting to each other? Longer than this forum has been around I think. Maybe we started t post to each other on NFCF? Anyway, lets see where you land 20 years from now.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You must understand that there is a segment of the Oneness movement that is emotionally vested in everyone else going to hell but them. They'll be ticked at God if some Trinitarians are in Heaven. Thus, you will never be able to reason with them on this.

True. But my statement wasn't intended to indicate that they are saved.

I was only illustrating two things.

First, that even a professed Trinitarian will begin to arrive at Oneness conclusions, some to lesser or greater degrees, merely by reading their Bibles.

Second, since this is so, it's disingenuous to claim that all Trinitarians are solidly Trinitarian in all their reasonings.

That's all I'm saying.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason B

What are you talking about? This is borderline nonsensical.

I just didn't start posting with you this year, we have been going at it for a long time. If you notice we are both on each other's friend list. So, we weren't always at odds. We once believed the same thing. Yet, you chose to come back and stick our nose in it. Hey, bro, you changed, you no longer believe in this stuff, standards are garbage rules made up by psychopathic flesh eating zombies. Then bro that's what you believe, but to come and post that junk and think someone is going to chant to you, thank you sir may I have another, thank you sir may I have another. is foolish. Hey there was a time where this forum , and the one before it had noting but haters. Most of the crew left for saner forums where they didn't have to deal with wound licking snivelers running down the UPCI or the Apostolic movement every chance they got. So, when I say you post out of both sides of your mouth you do. I repeat, if I left a religion, I wouldn't waste my time or the people who didn't leave the religion time by coming to the forum and posting smack about what they still believe. I'm the guy who can't believe that someone who preaches against tithing would attend a church and give tithes. That is confusion. Or preach against women preachers and sit under a female pastor.

Seriously?

Bro, my father constantly over and over again, said that "religion is where insane people go to get credibility. Because when you talk to God, it is called prayer. But when God talks to you it is called schizophrenia."

Originally Posted by Jason B

Curse you on your deathbed? By pleading with you to consider your own mortality, and to therefore extend some grace to others, and allow God to judge those who claim to belong to Him? That's cursing you on your deathbed? Good grief, you expect anyone to take you seriously? You have a victim complex.

Victim complex? There you go with the balm of gilead again. Bro, you are no better than the next guy. I just consider the source, you don't wish me well, you wish me hell. I respect you more when you let it all hang out. Good grief.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Does not even scripture say "who are you to judge another man's servant? We shall all stand at the judgment seat of Christ."

Are you serious man? Bro, are you really having a memory lapse? Dude, go reread your postings to me. Better yet, go read all your posts to Brother Epley.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Why is allowing God to be God offensive to you? Are you afraid His judgment will be different?

God be God is what He has given us in the word. Unless you judgements concerning heresy is a bunch of wind. Bro, you are conflicted.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Will you object and stamp your feet if a trinitarian is in heaven?

Then doctrine of any kind doesn't mean anything. Dig it? You guys can't logically think through your conclusions with book, chapter, and verse. Jesus' narrow way, and cracked entrance is on the pay no mind list. Jason, your journey through religion sadly is one based on your personal emotions. Your offenses brought on by ministers who didn't grant you what you believed you earned. Time to move on, and find a place to reflect.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Will you pout as Jonah at the repentance of Ninevah? Complain as John, that you command them to stop preaching in Christ's name because they were not part of your group? Will you behave as Judas when Mary broke the box of spikenard to serve Christ? Honestly would you be angry to see John MacArthur, Paul Washer, or even MYSELF in heaven? Would you feel cheated? Slighted? Jealous? I honestly wonder how it would make you feel.

Again, the above is dramatic emotional pleadings. Do you believe what Paul Washer believes? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by Jason B

I go after him because

Originally Posted by Jason B

Does not even scripture say "who are you to judge another man's servant? We shall all stand at the judgment seat of Christ."

Jason, that didn't take long. You go after him? So, I am right, you are here to go after us. OK, I can dig it. Can you? Hence the reason when you are going after us we turn around and come right back at you. Jason, go find Paul Washer's webforum. Seriously, you need them to help you.

Originally Posted by Jason B

1) he is vocal on this subject,

Aren't we all? Aren't you vocal about the mess you believe? Or should we just puppy down when you post? Bro, another thing, you were never a fast learner. The best thing for you to do is be brief, because the more you post you start tasting your own foot.

Originally Posted by Jason B

2)he posted in THIS thread.

Oooh, wow. But he didn't post to you. Oh, that because you come after us? What did he post in this thread? I remember one post, it was the word "no"

Jason, you need Paul Washer worse than the breath of ife.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Secondly, why does it matter how long he's been around. Billy Graham was 99, I guess that settles the debate. Foolishness.
He hasn't changed? Neither has the Pope, nor did Charles Manson, nor has Donald Trump. Who cares? Longevity in a single opinion or worldview isn't a strength based simply on the amount of time one consistently believes said thing. Is this really the best you can do? You really are flustered aren't you.

You are a talker, but the reason I brought up longevity and the other individuals you mention don't matter. Is because Brother Epley hasn't changed his position. Billy Graham had, the Vatican II Pope has, and YOU have. But, you aren't finished, you still young, and the road is long, who knows where you will land.

Originally Posted by Jason B

Is this why you tell me to leave all the time? Not to post here? You don't like your authority and opinions questioned. You don't like it when someone throws it right down the strike zone and it hits a little close to home. You are the one who puts "evangelist" in front of his name. Why? It looks silly when people name themselves"Bishop", "apostle" even "pastor" as their screen name. Are we supposed to then admire you more? Do your opinions count for extra points? You huff and puff, condemn all others, then cry foul if I even give you back one fifth of what you dish out. Why? Are you so insecure? So afraid of being wrong, you must lash out continually?

No, fear is something people shouldn't bring up when they are sitting behind a computer screen. We aren't face to face. Anyway, I have repeated my thoughts on the subject of sappy ex-Pentecostals going to Pentecostal forums to show their wounds. To bleed all over the place. Arrogance? Jason. right down the strike zone? Really? When did all that happen? Jason, go find Paul Washer. I'm serious, I have zero respect for that reprobate, messenger of Satan, and ecclesiastical pimp. But if you believe that devil is heaven bound then you need to be fellowshipping him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

True. But my statement wasn't intended to indicate that they are saved.

I was only illustrating two things.

First, that even a professed Trinitarian will begin to arrive at Oneness conclusions, some to lesser or greater degrees, merely by reading their Bibles.

Second, since this is so, it's disingenuous to claim that all Trinitarians are solidly Trinitarian in all their reasonings.

That's all I'm saying.

Aquila do me a favor if you have some time go ask some Trinitarian preachers around your local to explain the godhead.