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Old 07-19-2019, 09:41 AM
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Re: Does Everyone Live Forever?

Annihilation is a pretty decent punishment imo
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:47 AM
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Annihilation is a pretty decent punishment imo
If you're truly annihilated into oblivion and complete non-existence, what punishment are you experiencing?
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:51 AM
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If you're truly annihilated into oblivion and complete non-existence, what punishment are you experiencing?
The experience of not being able to exist!
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:54 AM
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Tyrone, what does destroy mean?
If something is destroyed does it still exist? Yes, or no?

If I destroy a buttercream cake by eating it, it will still exist in another "form" after my body has digested it! So it still exists after it's been destroyed.
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:57 AM
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The experience of not being able to exist!
Really? What was that like before you were born?
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Old 07-19-2019, 09:59 AM
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If I destroy a buttercream cake by eating it, it will still exist in another "form" after my body has digested it! So it still exists after it's been destroyed.
A little browner, perhaps. And if you can still tell it's a buttercream cake, I'm impressed.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:04 AM
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Really? What was that like before you were born?
If you can't see the difference between not ever having existed, And then existing to cease existing,...

Apples and orange. Not wit.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:16 AM
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If you can't see the difference between not ever having existed, And then existing to cease existing,...

Apples and orange. Not wit.
Not really. Ceasing to exist means you don't experience anything, whether you never existed or will never exist again at some given point.

The "experience of not being able to exist" is an oxymoron. No more punishment. No more reaping what was sown. You're freed from the recompense of reward. Isn't God mocked at that point?
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:24 AM
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Is it the ceasing to exist doctrine allow for "lets live like a bunch of devils and enjoy the pleasure of sin now, for tomorrow we die with no consequences"?
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:14 AM
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Mind if I chime in? With a little scriptural/principle logic?
If the wicked are annihilated, would that mock God at the moment of their escape from punishment?
It would not mock God. He is the judge. It is he who set the principal this principal:

The soul that sins will die. Ezekiel 18:4

The wages of sin is death. Rom. 6:23

So they dont "escape" punishment. The punishment ordained is death.

Romans 1:28-32

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

As noted it is GOD who sets the terms of punishment. When the wicked are dead the punishment is fulfilled.

It is written they are WORTHY OF.....DEATH....not immortality in the torments of Hell.
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