Does Everyone Live Forever? - Page 14

TulsaDavid · #**131** 07-20-2019, 09:55 AM

Yeppers.

Evang.Benincasa · #**132** 07-20-2019, 10:00 AM

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Yeppers.

Really! That's great!

votivesoul · #**133** 07-20-2019, 01:13 PM

Bump for TulsaDavid:

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It is the smoke that ascends up into the ages of ages, not the torment. The smoke is the symbol of the agony unbelievers endured as they were destroyed at the 2nd death. All that remains of these twice dead sinners is the whirl of ash to which they were reduced.

TulsaDavid · #**134** 07-20-2019, 01:38 PM

Bro B, that is wrong in a number of ways. First, it's the smoke fumes of the ordealing torment (torture), that is ascending into the eons of eons. They are not having rest day and night. Ashes don't suffer unceasing torture. The smoke is no symble of the agony unbelievers endured (as if that is past tense). This is a continuous verb form AND a continuous context. There is no skirting around the weight of this verse defining an eternal torture. The smoke is an effect, not an after-effect.

Great wishful thinking that if one doesn't make it, their punishment is not forever. Only problem, it's totally fictitious.

JamesGlen · #**135** 07-20-2019, 01:58 PM

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That's far from proving what you're trying to propose. Sin done in Seventy years or so deserves unending punishment? Doesn't jive. I've not bothered to settle that issue because the Bible doesn't.

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Wouldn't "doesn't jive" be based on temporal reasoning? Seems Scripture settled it when it defined the lake of fire as the second death, not annihilation and nothingness.

TD, Plz explain to me, regarding the soul, spirit, and body, what being tortured forever would be like. I mean, is the body able to withstand torture forever and not be destroyed/annihilated? Likewise, are the human spirit and the soul able to be forever tortured, while the human brain that tells us we are feeling hurt and pain, is destroyed and non existent. Plz explain it for me how this will play out, in regard to our(from a sinners standpoint I mean) soul and spirit feeling pain and torture, and our physical body somehow becoming immortal(scripture?) so that it is never destroyed from existence....

Break it down for me please, I am not understanding.

TulsaDavid · #**136** 07-20-2019, 02:08 PM

We probably would all concur that we can only break down the soul, spirit and body so far, within the constraints of scripture and some empirical understanding that the spirit of a man understands the spirit of a man. Agree?

The main difference between body and soul are not difficult to understand. What destroys the body physically is not the same as what destroys the soul, or that the soul is annihilated.

Do you really not understand? Just would like to know whether you're novice to this or studied.

JamesGlen · #**137** 07-20-2019, 02:18 PM

I’m a novice...Unstudied on defining what exactly a soul is made up of.
Can a soul feel pain? If so, please explain how?
Please teach/explain this to me.

Also, regarding Acts 2:31 David’s soul not being left in hell, speaking of the resurrection. What is a soul made up of in this instance? How would you define the “soul” differently from “the human physical body”, or would you? (Speaking of his soul “in the grave”, correct?)

TulsaDavid · #**138** 07-20-2019, 02:23 PM

Seems your postings since Nov 2016 indicate a little differently from someone who says "I'm a novice".

JamesGlen · #**139** 07-20-2019, 02:39 PM

Ha!
I truly do not understand this topic very well on a soul verses our immortal physical body, and how a sinner(following the just and unjust resurrection) can feel torture forever. So I’m truly looking to learn

so if you are not a novice on the subject, as I am, give me some schooling. Seriously.

What is a soul made up of, (& how does it differentiate from our physical body) that it can feel torture forever?

Or whoever else wants to chime in on that, I’m all ears....

TulsaDavid · #**140** 07-20-2019, 02:51 PM

The focus of this thread is the presumption that the wicked are annihilated, reduced to nothingness. Without going into lengthy dissertation, you obviously know that the rich man in hell experienced torment. None of us here on this side of life would be able to dissect the physiology behind it (well, we really can't even call it "physiology", but I think you get the gist). Suffice it to say, the soul can sense, feel pain, explain concerns, etc. Think you can live with that for now?