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06-27-2007, 10:40 AM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Island
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Originally Posted by NLYP
AM also knows we cant change some things about it if everybody with vision for change leaves.
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From what I gather from AM he does not mind change, but does not feel that the POA needs to leave the UPC to change, correct? By change I do not mean dropping standards, but change in general.
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06-27-2007, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NLYP
AM also knows we cant change some things about it if everybody with vision for change leaves.
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That is a good point. If all of the progressive folks leave that will leave only the mods and cons to dominate.
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06-27-2007, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
From what I gather from AM he does not mind change, but does not feel that the POA needs to leave the UPC to change, correct? By change I do not mean dropping standards, but change in general.
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He does not mind change and actually is known for being a path setter in or org....
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06-27-2007, 10:43 AM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Stockton, California
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I have a question for you Rev. Randy. Does it matter if T1 says it cost him or not? Are you just curious or are you hoping to try and prove a point that people should not leave the ever loving UPC? I know it may not be my business but curious in your motives. Are you thinking of leaving too?
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No... Point to Prove... I may not have my liscense long either.... and being that I'm from T1's part of the country...just asking...
I am NOT enamored with the UPC to be honest....it's become much to political and splintered imo to be called a "Fellowship"... but that's just my opinion...
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06-27-2007, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CC1
That is a good point. If all of the progressive folks leave that will leave only the mods and cons to dominate.
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AM is no Liberal...of that I know...he is very moderate and will do what it takes to win a soul.
IF this becomes a con org? God help us all.
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06-27-2007, 10:46 AM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Can't see AM being for that much change other than to broaden the UPC's scope of reaching out....
but then I don't know him personally either... like some others do around here...
It just seems that from I've heard him say in preaching that he is with the UPC for the long haul...
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06-27-2007, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NLYP
AM is no Liberal...of that I know...he is very moderate and will do what it takes to win a soul.
IF this becomes a con org? God help us all.
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I agree. I think at one time he had the potential to be a lib but mom and dad lived too long and now he is old and set in his own ways.
I don't think he would ever do anything he thought would disappoint his mom or dad and over time staying within those constraints became him.
From my point of view a shame because I think he could have been a leader in moving away from the extra biblical legalism while holding to the PAJC doctrinal position.
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06-27-2007, 10:49 AM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by revrandy
No... Point to Prove... I may not have my liscense long either.... and being that I'm from T1's part of the country...just asking...
I am NOT enamored with the UPC to be honest....it's become much to political and splintered imo to be called a "Fellowship"... but that's just my opinion...
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I figured that you were not trying to prove a point but had to ask.
I am a fan of some people in the Org, but not very many. What you said about fellowship is dead on there. If you turn in your card is it because you want to stay in the UC, Mod or Lib side?
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06-27-2007, 10:55 AM
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His Eminance, High Potatohead Potatotate
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I figured that you were not trying to prove a point but had to ask.
I am a fan of some people in the Org, but not very many. What you said about fellowship is dead on there. If you turn in your card is it because you want to stay in the UC, Mod or Lib side?
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I've always been considered a right leaning moderate...because I cut my hair and wear short sleeved shirts with french cuffed sleeves... 
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06-27-2007, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by revrandy
No... Point to Prove... I may not have my liscense long either.... and being that I'm from T1's part of the country...just asking...
I am NOT enamored with the UPC to be honest....it's become much to political and splintered imo to be called a "Fellowship"... but that's just my opinion...
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I would imagine if you don't have your license much longer it would be because you are moving the opposite direction that T1 moved!
You will be on the front row of AMC 2008 and a prime canidate for that new ultra con org!!!!!!!!!!! 
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