Are you qualified to be in the Kingdom of God? - Page 4

Timmy · #31 07-02-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I disagree strongly. If we walk after the Spirit down here now, we will not fulfil lusts of the flesh. And it is possible to walk after the Spirit.

Congratulations. I bet Paul would envy you (Romans 7:19).

mfblume · #32 07-02-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Congratulations. I bet Paul would envy you (Romans 7:19).

Ah, if you only knew how Paul was relating past mistakes in chapter 7 and how he learned to be delivered from the body of death through Jesus, by the work of God, Whom he thanked for deliverance. He gave the remedy to chapter 7 in the last three verses, which remedy is what he elaborated upon in chapter 6. Cannot God create in us a new clean heart?

Chapter 7 relates to us his mistake in walking after the flesh to serve God, which he identified through the ordeal. His info in 6:13 shows what he failed to do in times past -- walk after the Spirit by calling upon God's strength to use his members as instruments of righteousness rather than exert strenuous effort to make his flesh serve God in his own power.

Rico · #33 07-02-2007, 03:29 PM

Speaking of Kingdoms, has anyone done a study on the different Kingdoms? I did a study several years back and found out there is more than one Kingdom in the Kingdom. The only two I can remember off the top of my head are the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven. Maybe this is something I should study out again.

mfblume · #34 07-02-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Speaking of Kingdoms, has anyone done a study on the different Kingdoms? I did a study several years back and found out there is more than one Kingdom in the Kingdom. The only two I can remember off the top of my head are the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven. Maybe this is something I should study out again.

I honestly think those two "kingdoms" Are actually one and the same, and are synonymous terms that are interchangeable.

Proof:

Mat 19:23-24 KJV Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. (24) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

WATCH THIS COMPARISON:

Mat 11:11-12 KJV Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (12) And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Luk 7:28 KJV For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Rico · #35 07-02-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I honestly think those two "kingdoms" Are actually one and the same, and are synonymous terms that are interchangeable.

Proof:

Mat 19:23-24 KJV Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. (24) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

WATCH THIS COMPARISON:

Mat 11:11-12 KJV Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (12) And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Luk 7:28 KJV For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Maybe. There is one scripture that comes to mind where Jesus specifically says the Kingdom of God is within you. That suggests to me that there is more than one Kingdom. The Kingdom of Heaven is a place we actually go to and will be able to see. The Kingdom of God can not be seen, according to what I am remembering. I need to study it out again because I am relying completely on memory right now and you know how that goes as ya get older! LOL!

mfblume · #36 07-02-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Maybe. There is one scripture that comes to mind where Jesus specifically says the Kingdom of God is within you. That suggests to me that there is more than one Kingdom. The Kingdom of Heaven is a place we actually go to and will be able to see. The Kingdom of God can not be seen, according to what I am remembering. I need to study it out again because I am relying completely on memory right now and you know how that goes as ya get older! LOL!

I heard that idea before, but I cannot agree. When the two terms are used in speaking of the same thing as in the examples I provided, they are simply different titles for the one kingdom. Matthew usually uses one instead of the other. But the same parables in varying gospels use the two terms interchangeably when you compare each gospel version of the parable with the other's.

#37 07-02-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

Ron,

I never said nor do I think any of the things you said. You certainly know that.

I am not blind... I read quite well and my comprehension, not to be confused with discernment, is quite good. What you write cannot be comprehended any other way than mildly antagonistic at best. If that is not your intent you need to write more clearly or perhaps less clearly because it is clear that you try to nicely go after every avowed conservative on this board.

You're seeing things...

#38 07-02-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Hmmmm, so in your scenario, even if someone has fulfilled all of the salvation requirements, if they do not have joy and peace in their life then they would not be in the Kingdom of God, which I assume means Heaven?

Good insight as always... Now back to the questing, yes ! Why because God said so~

Rico · #39 07-02-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I heard that idea before, but I cannot agree. When the two terms are used in speaking of the same thing as in the examples I provided, they are simply different titles for the one kingdom. Matthew usually uses one instead of the other. But the same parables in varying gospels use the two terms interchangeably when you compare each gospel version of the parable with the other's.

Well, I am working on another topic for my new thread, Rico's Ramblings, in the cafe-blog section of AFF, but I am hoping to make "The Kingdoms" a topic for that thread eventually. Maybe I will do it next week and we can discuss it then.