The "Hit and Miss" Doctrine - Page 2

Praxeas · #11 07-07-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

It has been stated on AFF in the past that new testament Prophets are allowed to miss it sometimes. While I could understand a novice being tutored would be given some leeway, I have a hard time believing that a "Prophet" would be able to miss it, and remain a Prophet in good standing. If we use this as a rule for Prophets, then would we not have to likewise use it for the rest of the ministry?

Think about it. I go to church not sure whether the Pastor will hit or miss. The Evangelist will come in and maybe he will hit it......then again maybe not. And the Teacher...........one time he teaches sound doctrine, and the next............

Consider the implications that such a belief could bring with it.

What do you thing??

I don't think anyone is allowed to miss it.

chaotic_resolve · #12 07-07-2007, 04:16 PM

Still waiting for an answer to this:

Most of the time we blame the prophet for "missing" it. However, is it possible for a person prophesied over to alter whether or not it comes to pass?

I guess most people think we're robots that when a prophet gives a prophetic word, we have no choice but for it to come to pass. And if it doesn't come to pass, it's the prophet's fault for being wrong. Meanwhile we overlook that in the time the person was given the prophecy, they allowed things or did things in their life that caused the prophecy to be altered or kept from them.

Just a thought.

Ron · #13 07-07-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't think anyone is allowed to miss it.

Wow, Praxeas. I will never question you again because you aren't allowed to miss it.

I do however, so I could miss.

mizpeh · #14 07-07-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't think anyone is allowed to miss it.

I agree. If the Spirit is giving the words, how could you have missed unless someone repents, God forgives, and the judgement doesnt' come to pass. ( Jonah and Nineveh.) If God is not giving the words, then don't speak.

Praxeas · #15 07-07-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Wow, Praxeas. I will never question you again because you aren't allowed to miss it.

I do however, so I could miss.

huh? If I said I don't think we are allowed to fornicate would you say the same thing?

Sorry I don't think missing it is allowed. I don't think giving a prophesy that was not really from God is allowed. If you think it is allowed then fine. But that in no way implies I never make mistakes. Good grief, what is wrong with some of you people lately?

chaotic_resolve · #16 07-07-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Still waiting for an answer to this:

Most of the time we blame the prophet for "missing" it. However, is it possible for a person prophesied over to alter whether or not it comes to pass?

I guess most people think we're robots that when a prophet gives a prophetic word, we have no choice but for it to come to pass. And if it doesn't come to pass, it's the prophet's fault for being wrong. Meanwhile we overlook that in the time the person was given the prophecy, they allowed things or did things in their life that caused the prophecy to be altered or kept from them.

Just a thought.

Praxeas · #17 07-07-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I agree. If the Spirit is giving the words, how could you have missed unless someone repents, God forgives, and the judgement doesnt' come to pass. ( Jonah and Nineveh.) If God is not giving the words, then don't speak.

Thanks Mizpeh

The bible says there are to be more than one prophet and the others are to judge.

Sorry Ron but NO it is NOT allowed. That is why Paul said what he said

1Co 14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
1Co 14:30 If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent.
1Co 14:31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged,
1Co 14:32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.
1Co 14:33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

Ron · #18 07-07-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

huh? If I said I don't think we are allowed to fornicate would you say the same thing?

Sorry I don't think missing it is allowed. I don't think giving a prophesy that was not really from God is allowed. If you think it is allowed then fine. But that in no way implies I never make mistakes. Good grief, what is wrong with some of you people lately?

Nothing wrong Prax. The point is we aren't supposed to sin either, do we?
The real saints do.
The Bibles says to go on to perfection-not that we are perfect--yet.
I guess because people miss it, do we stone them?
Do we cast them aside?

I Corr 13 says that we prophesy in part.

We are to try the spirits.

If one were to always be missing it, I wouldn't put much stock in it.
If they were pretty much bang on, I would give it more weight, but I would still discern to see if they may have missed it.

Praxeas · #19 07-07-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Nothing wrong Prax. The point is we aren't supposed to sin either, do we?

So then you AGREE with me. Good grief, why not just say that. Yes we are not allowed to sin nor are we allowed to miss it in prophecy. Why are some of these discussions like pulling teeth for some people?

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The Bibles says to go on to perfection-not that we are perfect--yet.
I guess because people miss it, do we stone them?

Do we cast them aside?

What?!?! Where did I say to do anything? Where did I say to stone them or cast them aside? This forum has been really bizarre lately lol.

stmatthew · #20 07-07-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

If we're comparing the Biblical accounts of Elijah and Elisha, or others from the new testament, are we certain that all of their ministry has been recorded?

Does anyone actually believe that every prophecy just the two (Elijah & Elisha) made was all recorded? I don't believe it is. I think they did much more that wasn't recorded. And I don't believe for a moment that their ministry was 100% perfect.

So you are building you beliefs on what is NOT written in scripture than what IS written. If they had missed it, what does the old testament say would be the result of a Prophet that missed it??

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

When someone prophesies over another person, the person being prophesied to has the power to either receive or alter the prophecy. I'm certain that some people have missed the prophecy, not because the prophet was wrong or a false prophet, but maybe due to their spiritual lives or something they did that altered the course of what was prophesied to them.

After all, we are mere human beings with the incredible power of choice. We're not souless robots who automatically receive downloads with no choice.

So answer this: could it be that the person being prophesied over - and not the prophet - messed up when it doesn't come to pass?

I think you are now comparing the gift prophecy to the word of a Prophet. To me, they are 2 different things. Prophecy can fail. We do have a choice when it comes to prophecy to follow after God, and see it come to pass. But a Prophet speaks for God. He is Gods mouthpiece to the church. IF he misses, it is because he is speaking words other than Gods. This disqualifies him from being trusted as a Prophet.

I have little faith in any minister that will say thus saith the Lord when it is not God speaking.