Stupid Youth

I agree with you that kids don't really have any business just loitering at church after 11 or 12 without adult supervision.... whether their intent is good or not.... go to someone's house and chat or play board games, etc....

Yes, they should be in someone's home with adult supervision.

youth camps do conduct after 11 or 12 o'clock activities, but they are all under adult supervision.... which imo is perfectly acceptable.... the lateness of the hour isn't the issue imo as much as the lack of adult supervision....

That must be a modern thing because youth camps when I was a teen had the the teens going to bed by 11:00.

[Malvaro]

good discussion....

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Chan

If the kids are out late at night doing it, they should preach against it! The issue isn't the activity, it's the time of night when they were doing it, how the kids were dressed (excuse me, gas masks???) and what the activity looked like when the police drove up.

PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ADULT SUPERVISION makes time of night, how they were dressed, and what it looked like to the police irrelevant!

If they weren't disturbing anyone around them, there was no call for police intervention other than simple verification that there were adults present and that all was well.

Preach against it...thats laughable. Apostolic adults roam the streets at all hours during conferences because they are doing the apostolic thing...eating out! Due to the large number of people, restaurants are packed and eating out often keeps people out till 2-3 am. Hookers, drunks, and criminals roam the same streets at the same times so why don't we preach against this? Isn't this dangerous? Doesn't this look bad? Especially our fine dressed ladies out at this time of night...tsk tsk tsk! FOR SHAME!

Originally Posted by Malvaro

good discussion....

Can I ruin it with more stick poking? PLEASE???????

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

Back in the early 90's, my youth group used to play Capture the Flag at City Park all the time and the police actually made us stop playing because we were out after 9pm and on city property....

based on your logic, what was wrong with that??? We were just running around trying to find a silly flag.... with no trenchcoats or guns, for that matter....

I guess gone are the days of running around with clean safe fun in a neighborhood. I think we have a curfew of 1 am. for the ages of my girls. Again, I understand it being city property and requiring a curfew...but private property is different.

The police were called to my house one night last summer… my neighbor who looks out for us saw what he thought was males in black coming out my daughter’s window and down the ladder. The police showed up and I thanked him but assured him it wasn’t men but my daughters… The police wanted to check and make sure…and I let them check things out….but I knew what my girls were up to. They aren’t typical girls and the police found my girls in the backyard in black pants, black shirts with black hose over their heads playing some type of game…. They were then 14,15 and 16…. Having fun… LOL I’m sorry, but I see their creativity as what it is… creative and active minds.. I allow for this type of stuff… I let them be kids..

I live in a safe suburb….in the same house and neighborhood that I ran around playing hide and seek and other games…. We ran all over the neighborhood….in and out of other neighbor’s yards.. I don’t allow my kids to do that like I did, but in my yard it is fine..

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by Chan

STORES ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!!!!!!

Not relevant. Children have no business being out that late loitering in a church parking lot.

That they do these things doesn't make it right.

My teen doesn't stay up half the night and sleep most of the day and neither do the teens of any other parents I know (including several in the church I attend). Again, many communities have laws against loitering. Some communities even have curfews.

I don't agree with you Chan... I think you're being narrow minded in your thinking... but that's ok. You're entitled to what you think and believe.

I feel pretty confident that I am an ok parent.... I didn't have a curfew growing up... I only had one when I was dating and out w/boy.... if I was out with youth... there wasn't a curfew. I managed to get through my teens unscathed as far as the world... I wasn't doing bad things...most activities surrounded church... my parents trusted me and I am now 40 years old and still haven't ever drank alcohol or smoked... let alone touched a drug.

So... saying that.... I am not quite as lenient as my parents.. but allow for a lot of freedom doing fun teen stuff.

[Malvaro]

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I guess gone are the days of running around with clean safe fun in a neighborhood. I think we have a curfew of 1 am. for the ages of my girls. Again, I understand it being city property and requiring a curfew...but private property is different.

The police were called to my house one night last summer… my neighbor who looks out for us saw what he thought was males in black coming out my daughter’s window and down the ladder. The police showed up and I thanked him but assured him it wasn’t men but my daughters… The police wanted to check and make sure…and I let them check things out….but I knew what my girls were up to. They aren’t typical girls and the police found my girls in the backyard in black pants, black shirts with black hose over their heads playing some type of game…. They were then 14,15 and 16…. Having fun… LOL I’m sorry, but I see their creativity as what it is… creative and active minds.. I allow for this type of stuff… I let them be kids..

I live in a safe suburb….in the same house and neighborhood that I ran around playing hide and seek and other games…. We ran all over the neighborhood….in and out of other neighbor’s yards.. I don’t allow my kids to do that like I did, but in my yard it is fine..

Not every community is like yours.... many have grew much worse through the years.... and thus police inquiries are justified and warranted....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, they should be in someone's home with adult supervision.

Originally Posted by Malvaro

Not every community is like yours.... many have grew much worse through the years.... and thus police inquiries are justified and warranted....

Good points and I agree.

Originally Posted by LadyRev

PRIVATE PROPERTY AND ADULT SUPERVISION makes time of night, how they were dressed, and what it looked like to the police irrelevant!

It doesn't make what it looked like to the police irrelevant at all. I guess you've never heard of street gangs where some of the members are teens and others are adults. The teens are under adult supervision; so, according to you their standing on private property shouldn't be of concern to the police.

If they weren't disturbing anyone around them, there was no call for police intervention other than simple verification that there were adults present and that all was well.

Ah, the modern wickedness of "well, as long as they're not disturbing anyone (or it's not harming anyone) there's nothing wrong with it."

Preach against it...thats laughable. Apostolic adults roam the streets at all hours during conferences because they are doing the apostolic thing...eating out! Due to the large number of people, restaurants are packed and eating out often keeps people out till 2-3 am. Hookers, drunks, and criminals roam the same streets at the same times so why don't we preach against this? Isn't this dangerous? Doesn't this look bad? Especially our fine dressed ladies out at this time of night...tsk tsk tsk! FOR SHAME!

But we're not talking about adults, we're talking about children.

[Digging4Truth]

...the policemen asked that they not partake in this activity anymore.

Okay... the policemen saw them doing this on the churchs property and decided to ask about it. No harm in that.

But once you see that nothing illegal is going on then, if one so chooses, they can inform them of the potential dangers this might afford them but he had no business telling them that they needed to stop this activity.