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09-25-2007, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
My thoughts:
Some are using this situation to take shots at JB, a spirit-filled Christian, her ministry and the TBN crowd ... however that aside .... these recent JB statements are reprehensible, carnal and unChrist-like.
Let's look at this situation from some of things going on in her life right now.
Everyone knows her marriage is on the rocks ... and has been estranged from her husband for some time. She has made the mistake that many ministers have made over the years by allowing their pulpits to become bully pulpits to work out and justify personal battles and problems in their own lives.
We all do this ... we're upset w/ someone or something and try to justify or project it on others ....
Yet, a minister has a duty to separate some of their personal strife when ministering to the Body ... and not take it "out on them".
Someone has said that this video is 11 days before her skirmish w/ her estranged husband ... She is obviously feeling turmoil over it ... and expressed an ungodly aggressive attitude which could be one factor to why she and her having problems.
If my memory is correct ... the day he hit her ... they had met ... to finalize some things ... he left the hotel room ... and she followed him ....
Mistake #1 ... if they had come to a conclusion ... why follow him ...???
Mistake #2 ... I have to assume that she must've been very provocative towards her husband for him to raise his hand ... this in no way ... justifies this cowardly and reprehensible action by him ... however, if she displayed aggression when preaching about this ... I have to think that in private she was out of control ... and aggressive.
True holiness ... God dwelling in us ... should be reflected at all times ... JB needs to find an altar and ask God to examine her ... and do whatever it takes to work out her marriage ... cause we're all watching.
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Great post Daniel.
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09-25-2007, 03:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
My thoughts:
Some are using this situation to take shots at JB, a spirit-filled Christian, her ministry and the TBN crowd ... however that aside .... these recent JB statements are reprehensible, carnal and unChrist-like.
Let's look at this situation from some of things going on in her life right now.
Everyone knows her marriage is on the rocks ... and has been estranged from her husband for some time. She has made the mistake that many ministers have made over the years by allowing their pulpits to become bully pulpits to work out and justify personal battles and problems in their own lives.
We all do this ... we're upset w/ someone or something and try to justify or project it on others ....
Yet, a minister has a duty to separate some of their personal strife when ministering to the Body ... and not take it "out on them".
Someone has said that this video is 11 days before her skirmish w/ her estranged husband ... She is obviously feeling turmoil over it ... and expressed an ungodly aggressive attitude which could be one factor to why she and her having problems.
If my memory is correct ... the day he hit her ... they had met ... to finalize some things ... he left the hotel room ... and she followed him ....
Mistake #1 ... if they had come to a conclusion ... why follow him ...???
Mistake #2 ... I have to assume that she must've been very provocative towards her husband for him to raise his hand ... this in no way ... justifies this cowardly and reprehensible action by him ... however, if she displayed aggression when preaching about this ... I have to think that in private she was out of control ... and aggressive. Nothing good could result in confronting him like this in public
True holiness ... God dwelling in us ... should be reflected at all times ... JB needs to find an altar and ask God to examine her and repent for her lack of temperance ... She must do whatever it takes to work out her marriage ... cause we're all watching.
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Good post. 
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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09-25-2007, 04:10 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Are you serious? Her attitude was right? She demonstrated the thoughts of Christ to you? Using the Sopranos (mafia family) as a model for behavior is okay with you?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Brother you're sounding sane now....did you take a trip a little right of left? You'd make a great moderate  whooooohooooooooooooo
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Nothing new here on my part....I am being consistent with what I have always promoted on this forum....that is,that holiness and godliness are demonstrated by our actions and behavior. (i.e. the fruit that we bear)
I haven't followed the Juanita story and don't know much about it...but I am simply calling a spade a spade...and the attitude demonstrated in the video reeks....this has nothing to do with UC / liberal etc..... this is all about attitude. I've observed ugly attitudes in UCs as well where they have demonstrated an attitude of "spiritual" haughtiness and that reeks just as bad (even Ministers who are members of this forum)... so for me, it's not about UC / Liberal.
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09-26-2007, 01:45 AM
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It seems to me, from after having seen the video the first time, that she is speaking at a women's conference about abused women. She is speaking to women who tolerate beatings and such abuse. She is telling these women to get out of those situations and not stand there to take them.
Maybe I am wrong, but that is what it looked like to me. And when I consider such situations and what some women take, it makes me spitting mad, too, I'll tell you! lol
To take segments from messages and not show the context of them, could make ANYONE'S messages seem carnal, etc.
Like I said, I saw worse coming from some of "our's", who were defended.
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09-26-2007, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
The video is just another example of a feminist agenda in the pulpit.
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really???
So women who's husbands left them for another woman should go around constantly begging him to come back to them???
Women should let men treat them like dirt because they have no self-respect, self-confidence, or self-esteem???
Women should yell and scream and get all crazy anytime they are in a disagreement with someone (specifically thier husband)???
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09-26-2007, 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
she promotes silent murder...
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your entire post is made completely useless by the simple fact that you don't understand that she is using the Sopranos thing as an allegory, a parable... She is NOT in any way, shape, or form telling them to kill people and if you can't even realize that you really shouldn't be ripping on her for what she said in that video...
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09-26-2007, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
It seems to me, from after having seen the video the first time, that she is speaking at a women's conference about abused women. She is speaking to women who tolerate beatings and such abuse. She is telling these women to get out of those situations and not stand there to take them.
Maybe I am wrong, but that is what it looked like to me. And when I consider such situations and what some women take, it makes me spitting mad, too, I'll tell you! lol
To take segments from messages and not show the context of them, could make ANYONE'S messages seem carnal, etc.
Like I said, I saw worse coming from some of "our's", who were defended.
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The bolded part is EXACTLY how I took it, too... She wasn't talking to everyday women, she was talking to beaten down, abused women...
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09-26-2007, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
The bolded part is EXACTLY how I took it, too... She wasn't talking to everyday women, she was talking to beaten down, abused women...
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Right. It is plain to see if one is not looking for fault in her manner, really. lol
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09-26-2007, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Right. It is plain to see if one is not looking for fault in her manner, really. lol
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Bro. Blume,
I hear what you are saying regarding the context of the meeting but I am afraid the context of the meeting is dwarfed and overshadowed by the much more significant context of her personal life.
Surely you agree!
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09-26-2007, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Right. It is plain to see if one is not looking for fault in her manner, really. lol
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I didn't watch it "looking for fault in her manner"....I didn't even find her manner all that offensive...I just found it to be...carnal. If a woman is going to LEAD and TEACH other women, she needs to hold herself to a higher standard, and give the women she is teaching an example of what they ought to be, not a reflection of what they already are, and what they already know.
She was presenting "Juanita Bynum", not "Jesus Christ."
Considering her personal problems, I can even say its understandable. But that doesn't mean she couldn't or shouldn't have done better.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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