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Old 10-05-2007, 01:34 AM
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Oh rubbish....it's one thing to call them tame but quite another to try to say they are "Christian" songs.
lol

it says "God" more than many Christian songs, and, well, is about how "rock and roll" to a gift God gave us to make life better...

is it a bit of a stretch? Of course it is, lol, but I've heard crazier things...

PLUS it is true that numerous Christian bands have covered that song...
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:40 AM
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You've got something about you
You've got something I need
Daughter of Aphrodite
Hear my words and take heed
I was born on Olympus
To my Father a Son
I was raised by the Demons
Trained to reign as THE ONE

God of Thunder and Rock and Roll
The spell you're under
Will slowly rob you of your virgin soul

Im the Lord of the wastelands
A modern day man of steel
I gather darkness to please me
And I command you to kneel
Before the

God of Thunder and Rock and Roll
The spell you're under
Will slowly rob you of your virgin soul

I am the Lord of the wastelands
A modern day man of steel
I gather darkness to please me
And I command thee to kneel
Before the

God of Thunder and Rock and Roll
The spell youre under
Will slowly rob you of your virgin soul

Destroyer Album 1976 KISS



Personally I would have explained in detail why it would have been unwise to associate with a band that wrote songs that worshipped DEMONS.

The SS on the end of the Kiss logo are thunder bolts.

I feel that information (lots of it) is what a young person needs it's all about education and being informed. The young college students in our morning Bible studies love to be given information, and when that information is given out then they need to draw their own conclusion. Forcing people never works; people need to have the information to make a correct decision.
The guidence of a parent who is showing love and not frustration can give enough information to the young person so the young person can see the truth and logic of what the adult is trying to say.

Lord bless you and your son.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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you don't actually know anything about KISS, do you??

They never worshipped Satan, they just let thier label pretend they did to sell albums... it was all just a show...

if she tells her kid the truth about KISS and makes a big deal about it, he probably will come to the conclusion that it was a silly act and there is no reason to "make waves" at his school over them... this isn't Marylin Manson or Black Sabbath...

and the "S"'s aren't thunderbolts, its just a pretty looking font... sheesh, they didn't think this stuff out beyond "this looks cool", "this sounds cool", and "this will sell albums/concert tickets"
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:07 AM
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Who was that evangelist who was the Richard Heard wannabe who claimed he was an FBI agent, A Navy SEAL, probably a US Congressman etc. etc. etc. ... all before he was 30?
I died laughing when I read this... Which one? This is way too broad!!!!
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:18 AM
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Thanks to everyone for their comments and advice. I went to LR's tonight and Zak had the t-shirt on. I told her about the comments made here before I left and she agreed with the comments here, something I didn't expect her to do as easily as she did.....LOL!

And I'm honored that I got a comment from Tim. I just love reading anything he has to say.

Matt, I have spoken to him, but he doesn't see it as bad, as he wasn't around during the time of KISS being evil and such. He thought the stories were pretty funny that I was relating to him, especially when I mentioned the preachers who had KISS as their topic in their sermon and how bad they were.

He told me (on his own he brought this up) that the shirt wouldn't even be worn after Saturday. He's a fun kid who doesn't take much seriously. They had a 'dress-up' day this past week and who does he want to go as?

Chris Farley! Wanted me to go to Goodwill to get him a small suit jacket to do his 'fat guy in a little coat' impersonation!!

He doesn't get into the peer pressure of school and stuff. And I keep a real good eye on him as well and keep his reins pretty tight.

I just wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing in dealing with a 16 yr old. I've never had one before.
You know... one important thing is that you spoke to him like somebody who has a brain.

People just talk AT their kids... not to them.

From what you have written here I would say that you have a good chance that the shirt will, indeed, not be worn after saturday.

What you end up with is a scenario where you not only survived the possible "crisis" but you came out on the other side having demonstrated that you feel that he has a brain of his own and you respect that. That will go a long ways in the future when other issues come up.

My oldest is 15. I will be traveling your road soon. But, as of now, we still have the most wonderful relationship because we work so hard to speak to our kids like they are actual people and not speak at them with barked commands.

If we do see something where a line needs to be drawn then even that will be handled with respect to them as a person. I will take them to the word of God and will explain to them why we feel this way. We have done this for years and so they are used to the process. They also know that I am not going to come to them with some off the wall scripture that half applies and try to force the word to say what I want it to say. If I can't explain it well then I either need to study more or rethink my position.

Kids will respect authority. Just not authority that lords itself over them and barks commands at them that both of them know they can't back up.

He that winneth souls is wise... he that winneth their kids are brilliant.

It sounds like you did a great job.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:30 AM
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Herein is a marvelous thing; the same sage who sees no harm in a Rock group with Satanic overtones and vile lyrics sees grievous harm in a preacher who has rules.

Go and learn what that meaneth.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:36 AM
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Herein is a marvelous thing; the same sage who sees no harm in a Rock group with Satanic overtones and vile lyrics sees grievous harm in a preacher who has rules.

Go and learn what that meaneth.


someone needs to go back and read what I said...

and KISS didn't have satanic overtones... sexual ones? Absolutely, but not Satanic... nothing like pretty much everyone else at that time period had...
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:39 AM
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The point is you defend KISS and revile the Church.

Go figure.

Pretty revelatory.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:40 AM
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Herein is a marvelous thing; the same sage who sees no harm in a Rock group with Satanic overtones and vile lyrics sees grievous harm in a preacher who has rules.

Go and learn what that meaneth.
Or... the same preacher who has all the rules also goes bonkers over a shirt that some kid is going to wear and misinterprets what everyone says about it to fit into said set of rules.

Rules do not transform the soul. Rules create a facade of transformation.

Transformation is from within and equips one to make proper decisions outside a set of rules. Better said... Transformation equip one to have rule... rather than simply have rules.

The Spirit and the Word bring transformation.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:43 AM
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Or... the same preacher who has all the rules also goes bonkers over a shirt that some kid is going to wear and misinterprets what everyone says about it to fit into said set of rules.

Rules do not transform the soul. Rules create a facade of transformation.

Transformation is from within and equips one to make proper decisions outside a set of rules. Better said... Transformation equip one to have rule... rather than simply have rules.

The Spirit and the Word bring transformation.
I never said and do not believe that rules transformthe soul...good grief. I don't even know anyone who does believe that.

But we have a dude here who thinks they are evil and hurtful.

That isn't true.
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:47 AM
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The point is you defend KISS and revile the Church.

Go figure.

Pretty revelatory.
again, go back and read what I said and this time do it without trying to find something to rip on me for...

I didn't defend KISS, I simply stated that they are, by and large, harmless... they aren't satanic, they are somewhat sexual at times, but I'm sure that the school isn't playing thier sexual music, so as long as he doesn't become a huge KISS fan (which is sounds like he isn't), no harm done... Making a big deal out of it will make him want to see what the big deal is and, unfortunately, by and large KISS doesn't warrant the big deal...

as far as reviling the church? I don't revile the church, I'm part of the church. Anything I ever say about the church is as much self-critical as it is of anyone else... The fact that you refuse to understand that as a way of ignoring what I say is the telling thing...
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