Why aren't there more African Americans in the UPC or the leadership of the UPC??? - Page 4

Hegavmelif · #31 10-10-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandra

I don't have it all wrong....I know this bothered my father. He was on the General Board and heard much. (thats all I will say)

What General Board would that be?

"GL" · #32 10-10-2007, 11:08 AM

Those who think this is just a upc problem have their head in the sand. It's a problem in many, many organizations - especially in the South. It's not just churches, we see it reflected politically as well.

I'm white and I'm a minority in the upc church I pastor out West.

Many times, black people like to worship "with their own people." I only say this, because I've heard it from their mouths. I was recently at a larger church out here, which an AA family had left. They said that "there were not enough black people there." The husband told me that. I found it interesting that 1/3 of the praise singers the last time I visited were AA.

josh · #33 10-10-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

Did you read my last post ??

The PAW has had not One, but 2 WHITE Presiding Bishops in their history.
who many BLACK General supt's Have we had in the UPC ??

Ummmm....let me guess....ZERO????

Sadly, though, there just haven't been enough black preachers either.

The wrong will only slowly be righted.

In my current fellowship there is no color barrier...thank the Lord.

Hegavmelif · #34 10-10-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

Did you read my last post ??

The PAW has had not One, but 2 WHITE Presiding Bishops in their history.
who many BLACK General supt's Have we had in the UPC ??

Regardless, There are still more AA members and leaders/preachers in the UPCI than has ever existed in any of the other ethnic organizations. Period! In my city there is a UPCI church with a white pastor and an AA assistant pastor.

SecretWarrior · #35 10-10-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

Regardless, There are still more AA members and leaders/preachers in the UPCI than has ever existed in any of the other ethnic organizations. Period! In my city there is a UPCI church with a white pastor and an AA assistant pastor.

And why is that ? It is historically Proven that whites rarely will sit under black Leadership. how many whites do you see attending a church pastored by a Black Vs. blacks attending and sitting under white leadership?

you still failed to answer my first question

Consapostolic1 · #36 10-10-2007, 11:33 AM

I'm not UPC but I am black and have been to some of the UPC functions in the district in my area. I went to the Sr. camp for 3 nights, what I noticed was that there was about 400 young people and about 20 black young ppl in the bunch. I feel that alot of the young upc white ppl in this district don't know how to talk to black ppl. I guess they think just because someone is black that you have to speak to them differently or something. When the UPC family camp rolled around me and two other black friends from my church went. Sitting on the platform, all we saw were white faces. All the music played during the worship services was southern gospel. I strongly believe that the UPC district in my area has alot of racist ppl in it. The church I attend is a conservative ind. church I'd say that our church is 20% blk and even though my church has had blks attending it since the 80's we still have some racial issues come up. I think may have to do with what part of the country I live in, ppl here afraid of change.

Sandra · #37 10-10-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

What General Board would that be?

The General Board of the UPC.

ThePastorsCoach · #38 10-10-2007, 11:49 AM

Sandra is right!
One of the main reasons I left the UPC was because of RACISM. These men in the GA District would say - What in the world are we gonna do with you? From the DS on down - they would say this to me at EVERY function - "What in the world are we gonna do with you"? I would say - "JUST LEAVE ME ALONE and I WILL BUILD A CHURCH"! They just could NOT do it - they had to keep messing with me until I just left!

Some diliked the fact that we built an International Church with more Africans than Americans. They had no idea how to "deal" with it so they brought a white pastor to town to build a "WHITE" Church - which is a pitiful excuse for a church even today and the UPC there (actually 2 of them) has not had their own building in YEARS!
Our International church there owns much property and has over 500 in it and just remodeled and built on!
The Church I now pastor is an International Church with over 70% Internationals from Jamaica, Haiti, Bahamas, Barbados, Trinidad, Guyana, Antigua, St. Lucia, Ghana, Nigeria, Puerto Rico, Trinidad, Mexico, Brazil, Japan, Korea, England and other nations. We have about 30% White Americans. We are International ON PURPOSE with flags of the nations around the top border of the church. Our Leadership, Elders, Deacons and Department heads reflect DIVERSITY and will reflect more in days to come. My Administrative Assistant is a Black American with Jamaican parents. We do this on purpose!
If you want an International Church or a church that reflects the community - you must put someone on your platform that is of a different color, race or nationality than you! It is not the easiest thing in the world to do - but you get what you put up on the platform!
Some of you wonder why you attract DINGBATS!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL!!!!!!!!!! Been there - Done that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Carpenter · #39 10-10-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Carp...you need to come out WEST. The churches here are very multi-cultural.

You would need to ask the ministerial brethren why they have not voted more African-Americans in...however, I do not think it all has to do with race. There seems to be more diversity among the General Youth Board then other boards at HQ.

Actually when I went to Thad's church I was kind of surprised, none of the other UPC churches in Norcal have such a diversity of folks black and white.

I haven't been to a UPC church in SoCal in almost two decades...

Carpenter · #40 10-10-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by josh

Hey, we heard you were coming down for a visit and were looking for you...

I guess OP scared you off!!!LOL

Boy, I did my best to get out there. We were having some problems with folks here in our business. I didn't get home til 10pm on Sunday night.