Why aren't there more African Americans in the UPC or the leadership of the UPC???

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

This is the same excuse that white churches have used for years to justify themselves. It's amazing that God has leaders in black churches isn't it?

You see, leadership is an art and it is learned. Leadership is the art of developing other people. As a leader, you determine who you will help develop into leaders. Character counts, but even character is developed and hopefully parroted from the pastor.

I'm not saying that you MUST put someone in a leadership position because of their color, but I am saying that if everything is equal, you should give the black person the advantage IF you are indeed reaching out to the black community!

Black leadership = I value the black community!

Great post Mr. Pianoman!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

We have translaters who translate into mics picked up by headsets.Its not hard alot of bigger churches do this.

right, but I am asking a specific question of how. Are they wireless? How do they sit in different areas and use them? Or are they in designated areas for their language?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chosen

Hello,
With all due respect to my precious brethen and with an angle from a minority(Minority in this nations eyes (but not in Jesus' eyes).

I have lived all my life(42 years) in the south and have been in the Truth the last 20 years.

I have been under precious men of faith BUT there has always been that "understood unspoken law" , caucasians lead, everyone else follows.

I attempted to get my Lic. back in 1992 , not allowed because the Pastors son had to be the first one to get his Lic. at that church since he was next in line for the church.

I waited and waited nothing, I have read all the books , preached done all I was asked and nothing met all the requiremnets placed before me and nothing. I moved to TX where at least 50% of the congregations are made up of "minorities" at least in my area and yet NOT ONE "minority" pastor.

Many years ago there was always a stigma that was placed on the black race as "being to dumb" to know or do anything right, well now it has been extended to the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Indians shall I go on.

There really is a problem, and I am happy Jesus is not like most in leadership in this area because you see GOD has used me in services full of Caucasians even if they won't.

Its a reality, sad, and even if done subconsciously its still wrong.I hold no bitter feelings , it just saddens me because I know if I notice it many thers do also.

Interesting....we have Hispanic and even Portuguese pastors...we have black pastors and other ministers in California...We have Filipino too.

BTW the think about the Pastor and his son? That's nepotism not racism

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

My youth pastor is Black.

My song leader is black.

The teacher for our young adults class is Black.

We have Black musicians and praise singers.

There may be some folks who are racists, but not us.

That's awesome, CS. I bet your church is the exception though in UPC.

[Praxeas]

I wonder how many white and hispanic preachers the PAW has in comparison to blacks?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Sherri

That's awesome, CS. I bet your church is the exception though in UPC.

I grew up hearing and using the "N" word commonly.

But then I got saved.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I grew up hearing and using the "N" word commonly.

But then I got saved.

I love having a multicultural church; I'm sure it's what heaven will be like. I can't imagine our church without the different colors!!!

I am UPC, though I dont think we should divide, promote or discriminate on the basis of color.
If the United States military would take the stance that all soldiers are "Green", then being in God's Army, I declare all children of God are RED.
Blood Red.
If you are not Blood Red, then you are Sin Black. ( with no reference to the carnal).
The word declare that we should be neither Jew nor Greek, unless we become either/or to win that soul.

In MY UPC church, if we must look thru the carnal eye, we have:
white/anglo saints

we have an entire spanish daughter work (we are in texas: they have their own building because of their expansion/growth, praise God for new souls)

we have a Korean/Asian daughter work still within our walls,

We have an African daughter work within our walls

We have an Indian daughter work within our walls.
etc, etc etc

All of our people come to our worship services. They have seperate additional services for teaching because of language barriers, not cultural. They are my Brothers.

The respective Pastors sit on the Platform in all services.
God blesses this. God moves in this. Where He goes I will follow.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

right, but I am asking a specific question of how. Are they wireless? How do they sit in different areas and use them? Or are they in designated areas for their language?

No they can sit in whatever part of the church they want.The interpreter wears the mic.Haven't you seen this at conferences?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

No they can sit in whatever part of the church they want.The interpreter wears the mic.Haven't you seen this at conferences?

Trouver, how do the headphones get the feed from the mic? are they wireless or is there a plug in every seat?