First the AG, next the UPC???

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

AG doesn't speak in tongues.

Uh..Bro. ....YES indeed they Do speak in tongues...
Same Holy Ghost we have.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

I visited with my Bishop that I grew up under this weekend. He is a pastor of pastors. He is a part of the UPC and pastored the same church 47 years.

He is almost 80 years old and was a 35 year old Assembly of God evangelist when he received the revelation of the mighty God in Christ. Years ago, he was personally at the AG General Conference and with his own eyes and ears saw and heard the grayheads of the AG plead with the conference to hold the line on standards of holiness. The conference would not listen and history has revealed the outcome of that decision.

He is not UC but preaches very straight and always been principle and relationship driven and not rules based. He said that if the people would abide by just what resolution 4 allows then there is not much cause for concern but he knows that it is merely a foothold and that it will not stop at #4.

He wondered aloud, "I saw the compromise of one organization, I guess I may live to see the compromise of another."

Could it be that with the entrance of #4 this could be the start of the end for the UPC? It took the AG more than a few years to get where it is today. So it may not be this year or next but in 50 years what will the UPC look like? Could Thad be speculating about a merger of the UPC and the AG?

God Forbid!!

My father was an AOG Evangelist from 1958-1963. Then UPCI from 1964-1978 when he passed away.

He never spoke of standards being lifted in those years.

Standards were not lifter styles changed.

Modesty needs to be the sermon.

Not the 150 different dress codes the UPCI preaches from coast to coast under the veil of Holiness Dress.

Look at the roles of the AOG over the UPCI.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Not to pick a fight with my friends but churches like Christ Church is there already as mentioned by none other than Pianoman. I forget how long he said it had been since someone there had preached about the HGB and not seeing anyone recieve it?

You are correct Bro. Epley, and I do have a problem with it! Folks do receive the HGB, but it rarely is preached about from the pulpit. At alter calls, folks are asked to come and accept Jesus. The message received form the congregation is that HGB is not important! I wish it were different!

We do have tongues and Interpretation every now and then.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

You are correct Bro. Epley, and I do have a problem with it! Folks do receive the HGB, but it rarely is preached about from the pulpit. At alter calls, folks are asked to come and accept Jesus. The message received form the congregation is that HGB is not important! I wish it were different!

We do have tongues and Interpretation every now and then.

I am not really being critical as much as stating the facts. I remember Bethel in Evansville which was influenced by the latter rain movement. When they began to teach one may or may not speak in tongues upon recieving the HGB. In a decade it nearly vanished and it wasn't until the Charismatic movement was in full bloom did they start promoting the HG again. For nearly 40 yrs. the church was like a regular Baptist church. Their numbers were huge
I think this will become a trend among those Charismatic leaning churches. I was refreshed to read in this issue of Charisma which was about the 100th year anniversary of the COGIC Bishop Blakes insistance on remaining Pentecostal in the HGB experience.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I read an article sometime ago from an AG theologian commenting on how the AG had lost it's moorings. He cited stats where that a great number of AG preachers do not even claim the HGB and in many churches it is treated so low key that a great majority of AG do not have the HGB. He said when the AG compromized on standards they have lost ground every sense. This man teaches at Evangel or did at the time.

can you supply a link to this article?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

can you supply a link to this article?

I wish I could someone sent it to me and I am unorganized. I was going to post it before but cannot find it. I am sorry. I can't even remember the man's name only that he was a teacher at Evangel and he was an older man.? Sorry.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by pelathais

What exactly was "the outcome" that "history revealed?" The AoG didn't become Trinitarian in their doctrine and renounce Jesus Name baptism, did they?

I just heard the testimony of two Muslim clerics from Baghdad, having the very same dream of the revelation of Jesus Christ. Guess where the Spirit of God sent these new converts? To the Assembly of God mission in Amman, Jordan. The word was "go to the house of God in Amman, and the men of God will instruct you". They spent one month in Jordan, now they have over seven home churches in Iraq flourishing underground. The A of G has a Muslim division that is surging into the Middle East as God opens doors. This is a pretty good outcome, I would say.

The progression to liberalism is very common in every organization it is just delayed in some more than others. Then there very often is a return to more conservative views if the org survives. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, some men try to take on the responsibility of being God. I just want to know where He is working around me today so I can join Him in what he is doing. I'll leave the bigger picture to Him.

Some need to lift the weight of the world off of their small and very weak shoulders, God has not delegated His world to any of us. Thank goodness!!!!

[sola gratia]

can anyone post any link that validates this thread... other than heresay?

thanks

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I just heard the testimony of two Muslim clerics from Baghdad, having the very same dream of the revelation of Jesus Christ. Guess where the Spirit of God sent these new converts? To the Assembly of God mission in Amman, Jordan. The word was "go to the house of God in Amman, and the men of God will instruct you". They spent one month in Jordan, now they have over seven home churches in Iraq flourishing underground. The A of G has a Muslim division that is surging into the Middle East as God opens doors. This is a pretty good outcome, I would say.

The progression to liberalism is very common in every organization it is just delayed in some more than others. Then there very often is a return to more conservative views if the org survives. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, some men try to take on the responsibility of being God. I just want to know where He is working around me today so I can join Him in what he is doing. I'll leave the bigger picture to Him.

Some need to lift the weight of the world off of their small and very weak shoulders, God has not delegated His world to any of us. Thank goodness!!!!

bump for bro. benincasa, A of G speaks with tonques. The attorney general may not as you have posted.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by crakjak

bump for bro. benincasa, A of G speaks with tonques. The attorney general may not as you have posted.

Actually our former AG does speak in tonques, Bro. John Ashcroft.