Accepting Him or Rejecting Him; Jesus Name Baptism and Pentecostal Trinity Churches

Originally Posted by Theophilus

This works great...if you chuck the rest of scripture. Who's looking?

Your system works great if you chuck Jesus' own words.

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Because their Jesus is not my Jesus. They deny Jesus is the Father. They deny Jesus is the Holy Ghost. In so doing, they have made another Jesus than that of the Bible. In order to be a brother, they must have the same Father, and they do not have my Father. They may say I am their brother, but I do not call them mine, because of the scriptures, as found in 2John 1:10-11, "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed: For he that biddeth him Godspeed is partaker of his evil deeds."

They can be fervant in their beliefs, and still be fervantly wrong. Trinitarians are not my brothers or sisters. They have a different God. One other thing to mention on this. John 8:24 says this, "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." Notice ion the King James that the word 'he' is in italics. It was added for clarity. But, the original says that unless one believes Jesus is the I AM, which means unless a soul believes Jesus Christ is God and God alone, then cannot be saved. Only God can forgive sins, and only God can save the soul.

Show me where the BIBLE says the Father's name is Jesus! Show me where the BIBLE says the Holy Ghost's name is Jesus! The name Jesus was given ONLY to God's only begotten Son and, thus, applies ONLY to Jesus' humanity.

If you believe that Jesus is His own Father, then you are an atheist! The BIBLE is clear that Jesus is the name given only to the MAN Christ Jesus: you know full well that Jesus (as a human being) didn't father Himself. Jesus is the name given to God's only begotten Son and, thus, the One with the name had a beginning. Since GOD is without beginning or end, you cannot claim that Jesus is His own Father since Jesus was begotten (fathered).

[sola gratia]

amen!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Chan

Show me where the BIBLE says the Father's name is Jesus! Show me where the BIBLE says the Holy Ghost's name is Jesus! The name Jesus was given ONLY to God's only begotten Son and, thus, applies ONLY to Jesus' humanity.

If you believe that Jesus is His own Father, then you are an atheist! The BIBLE is clear that Jesus is the name given only to the MAN Christ Jesus: you know full well that Jesus (as a human being) didn't father Himself. Jesus is the name given to God's only begotten Son and, thus, the One with the name had a beginning. Since GOD is without beginning or end, you cannot claim that Jesus is His own Father since Jesus was begotten (fathered).

He inherited his Father's name. Heb. 1:4
There is ONE God and His Name ONE. Zech. 14:7
If the Father has another name it is inferior Jesus is the Name ABOVE every name. Phil.2:9
If the Father or Holy Ghost separate names there is NO salvation in them. Acts 4:12
Why wasn't their names preached in Acts?????????????????

You know this is the goofiest I have heard.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

He inherited his Father's name. Heb. 1:4
There is ONE God and His Name ONE. Zech. 14:7
If the Father has another name it is inferior Jesus is the Name ABOVE every name. Phil.2:9
If the Father or Holy Ghost separate names there is NO salvation in them. Acts 4:12
Why wasn't their names preached in Acts?????????????????

You know this is the goofiest I have heard.

Hebrews 1:4 does not say He inherited His Father's name, it says He inherited a name that is more excellent than that of the angels. You really should learn how to read the Bible instead of reading into the Bible.

As for one God, even Trinitarians believe in one God. As for Zechariah 14:7, it says, "But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light." You really meant Zechariah 14:9, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." It doesn't say that "There is ONE God and His Name ONE," it says that "in that day" (referring to the last days) the LORD (YHVH) will be (FUTURE EVENT) king over all the earth, that there will be (FUTURE EVENT) one YHVH and that His name will be (FUTURE EVENT) one. Again, you really need to try reading God's word instead of reading into it. Why would there be a need for the prophet to tell us the words of that passage as a future event if it was what was already reality?

As for Philippians 2:9, the Father is obviously exempted just as Paul in another passage said that He is exempted from all things being put under subjection to Christ.

GOD has a name and His only begotten Son has a name. There is not one name for God's fatherhood, another for His outpouring of Himself, another for His holiness, another for this or that attribute of God.

God's name was not preached in Acts, the name of His only begotten Son was preached.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

Show me where the BIBLE says the Father's name is Jesus!

John 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:

The name Jesus was given ONLY to God's only begotten Son and, thus, applies ONLY to Jesus' humanity.

But, since I believe that the Son IS the Father manifested in flesh, then the revelatory name of the Father in the NT is Jesus Christ.

Jehovah (commonly referred to [even by trinitarians] as the Father) became salvation in the Son. Jehovah-Savior. Jesus Christ. (See also Isaiah 12)

Originally Posted by OGIA

John 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world:

This does not say that the Father's name is Jesus.

But, since I believe that the Son IS the Father manifested in flesh, then the revelatory name of the Father in the NT is Jesus Christ.

This is heresy! The Bible says that Jesus is GOD manifest in the flesh, not God's fatherhood manifest in the flesh.

Jehovah (commonly referred to [even by trinitarians] as the Father) became salvation in the Son. Jehovah-Savior. Jesus Christ. (See also Isaiah 12)

Father is not a name, it's a title. It was not God's fatherhood that became salvation, it was God that became salvation.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Chan

Hebrews 1:4 does not say He inherited His Father's name, it says He inherited a name that is more excellent than that of the angels. You really should learn how to read the Bible instead of reading into the Bible.

As for one God, even Trinitarians believe in one God. As for Zechariah 14:7, it says, "But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light." You really meant Zechariah 14:9, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one." It doesn't say that "There is ONE God and His Name ONE," it says that "in that day" (referring to the last days) the LORD (YHVH) will be (FUTURE EVENT) king over all the earth, that there will be (FUTURE EVENT) one YHVH and that His name will be (FUTURE EVENT) one. Again, you really need to try reading God's word instead of reading into it. Why would there be a need for the prophet to tell us the words of that passage as a future event if it was what was already reality?

As for Philippians 2:9, the Father is obviously exempted just as Paul in another passage said that He is exempted from all things being put under subjection to Christ.

GOD has a name and His only begotten Son has a name. There is not one name for God's fatherhood, another for His outpouring of Himself, another for His holiness, another for this or that attribute of God.

God's name was not preached in Acts, the name of His only begotten Son was preached.

Try out for the dodgers and forget the Bible! Your 'arguments' are so weak I will just allow mine to stand those reading can chose.

Why do you despise Jesus Name??????????????? If Jesus did NOT inherit his name from his Father who did he inherit from????? The foolishness of this is absurd.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Chan

This does not say that the Father's name is Jesus.

Then what IS the Father's name that the Lord Jesus manifested to those men?

This is heresy! The Bible says that Jesus is GOD manifest in the flesh, not God's fatherhood manifest in the flesh.

So, a piece of God was manifested, just not His fatherhood?

Father is not a name, it's a title. It was not God's fatherhood that became salvation, it was God that became salvation.

The Father's name as commonly referred to in the OT is Jehovah. Agree or not? I do agree that God became salvation. It's just about "which one" is where we disagree.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Try out for the dodgers and forget the Bible! Your 'arguments' are so weak I will just allow mine to stand those reading can chose.

Why do you despise Jesus Name??????????????? If Jesus did NOT inherit his name from his Father who did he inherit from????? The foolishness of this is absurd.