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Old 02-05-2008, 10:11 AM
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Re: Bill Clinton was guest Spkr.@ Apostolic ch. Su

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Bill Clinton is good friends with alot of UPCers.He used to go the Ark camp meetting when he was gov of Ark.I'm sure he got and spoke when he was there,and most people (in the south)know how the Manguns and the Clintons are good friends I hear he's alot of fun to be around ,just don't trust him and don't agree with his politics.
that is just about right my friend, but they aint no friends of mine, lol,dt
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We don't know these people personally...why do we attack them so personally?

Bill Clinton’s Presidency saw a reasonable budget ending with surplus. Under the Clinton Presidency welfare rolls dropped and welfare was reformed with the support of the Republican congress. President Clinton signed NAFTA into law even though Labor took a clear stand against it. Clinton was hardly a socialist. In contrast Federal regulations and federal spending has exploded under the Bush Administration. But I still don’t see either one as “socialist”. What I see is that President Clinton invested more in domestic programs and subsidies for tax payers and struggling businesses. Under President Bush more of our money is invested in overseas markets and unbelievable subsidies have been given to a select group of corporations who aren’t struggling with very few subsidies being given to domestic programs.

If I were forced to have to choose which was more socialistic...it'd be President Bush.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:47 AM
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We don't know these people personally...why do we attack them so personally?

Bill Clinton’s Presidency saw a reasonable budget ending with surplus. Under the Clinton Presidency welfare rolls dropped and welfare was reformed with the support of the Republican congress. President Clinton signed NAFTA into law even though Labor took a clear stand against it. Clinton was hardly a socialist. In contrast Federal regulations and federal spending has exploded under the Bush Administration. But I still don’t see either one as “socialist”. What I see is that President Clinton invested more in domestic programs and subsidies for tax payers and struggling businesses. Under President Bush more of our money is invested in overseas markets and unbelievable subsidies have been given to a select group of corporations who aren’t struggling with very few subsidies being given to domestic programs.

If I were forced to have to choose which was more socialistic...it'd be President Bush.
you do your thing aquila and i will do mine, lol,dt
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:50 AM
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It may also be of value to note that the Clinton White House was approached by Chalabi who advocated regime change in Iraq. The Clinton Administration stated that while they suspected that Saddam might have WMD, there wasn’t enough concrete intelligence to justify military action. The Clinton White House warned that military action would look aggressive and heavy handed, thereby risking destabilization of the region if WMDs were not found. Clinton chose to stand by sanctions. I believe that if Clinton were President in 2001, we wouldn't be in Iraq but we would have Bin Laden in custody or dead.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:57 AM
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It may also be of value to note that the Clinton White House was approached by Chalabi who advocated regime change in Iraq. The Clinton Administration stated that while they suspected that Saddam might have WMD, there wasn’t enough concrete intelligence to justify military action. The Clinton White House warned that military action would look aggressive and heavy handed, thereby risking destabilization of the region if WMDs were not found. Clinton chose to stand by sanctions. I believe that if Clinton were President in 2001, we wouldn't be in Iraq but we would have Bin Laden in custody or dead.
you may be right about some of that , but the part about bin laden, come on, clinton could have had him and wouldnt take him, good luck with bilary, lol,dt
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you may be right about some of that , but the part about bin laden, come on, clinton could have had him and wouldnt take him, good luck with bilary, lol,dt
First there are other factors, first it's difficult to just go around launching attacks in other nations. Clinton was avoiding an international incedent. Hey...if you remember when he did launch an attack against a threat he was accused of trying to distract us from the Monica scandal. Here's some information regarding Clinton and terror....

President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans in Congress and the pro-Republican Media. Here's a long list of accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no credit, in contrast to the record of the Bush administration.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, in the first year of his administration, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpetrators of the 1993 WTC bombing were caught and punished. The blind Mullah ring-leader was already in jail, and was retried for the attack. His helpers were caught and tried, and they were sentenced to life in prison. That's called decisive action, as opposed to Republican hot air.

After the first 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the bombings in Saudi Arabia were caught, most likely with CIA help. Saudi Arabia had them beheaded.

In 1996 President Clinton pushed hard for anti-terrorism legislation and the Republican controlled Congress pushed just as hard to frustrate his efforts. See CNN.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings were captured, and are now in jail for life.
Also, when President Clinton learned that Osam Bin Laden was having a top-level Al Qaeda leadership meeting in Afghanistan he ordered the site bombed and came very close to preventing the bombing of the World Trade Centers on 9/11/2001. And the response of the Republican leadership and the entire mainstream media was: "Bill Clinton, don't you dare try to "wag the dog", and distract us with all this nonsense about some far away terrorist! What America needs to attend to is the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress."
There were several known terrorist attempts were thwarted un Bill Clinton's watch:
  • # an attempt to blow up the Holland Tunnel,
    # an attempt to blow up the Lincoln Tunnel,
    # an attempt on the life of the Pope,
    # an attempt to blow up the L.A.X airport.
    # Two attempts over the Millennium weekend to plant bombs in cites in the Northeast and the Northwest of the United States.

Also consider the following…
The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA. When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:

Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.

- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

The first serious terror threat on our soil during the Bush’s Presidency left us with over 3,000 Americans dead.

Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

I'm not a HUGE Clinton fan, but compared to Bush...well...I'll leave that one alone. lol
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:37 AM
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First there are other factors, first it's difficult to just go around launching attacks in other nations. Clinton was avoiding an international incedent. Hey...if you remember when he did launch an attack against a threat he was accused of trying to distract us from the Monica scandal. Here's some information regarding Clinton and terror....

President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans in Congress and the pro-Republican Media. Here's a long list of accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no credit, in contrast to the record of the Bush administration.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000, in the first year of his administration, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpetrators of the 1993 WTC bombing were caught and punished. The blind Mullah ring-leader was already in jail, and was retried for the attack. His helpers were caught and tried, and they were sentenced to life in prison. That's called decisive action, as opposed to Republican hot air.

After the first 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the bombings in Saudi Arabia were caught, most likely with CIA help. Saudi Arabia had them beheaded.

In 1996 President Clinton pushed hard for anti-terrorism legislation and the Republican controlled Congress pushed just as hard to frustrate his efforts. See CNN.com/US/9607/30/clinton.terrorism/

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
The perpretrators of the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings were captured, and are now in jail for life.
Also, when President Clinton learned that Osam Bin Laden was having a top-level Al Qaeda leadership meeting in Afghanistan he ordered the site bombed and came very close to preventing the bombing of the World Trade Centers on 9/11/2001. And the response of the Republican leadership and the entire mainstream media was: "Bill Clinton, don't you dare try to "wag the dog", and distract us with all this nonsense about some far away terrorist! What America needs to attend to is the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress."
There were several known terrorist attempts were thwarted un Bill Clinton's watch:
  • # an attempt to blow up the Holland Tunnel,
    # an attempt to blow up the Lincoln Tunnel,
    # an attempt on the life of the Pope,
    # an attempt to blow up the L.A.X airport.
    # Two attempts over the Millennium weekend to plant bombs in cites in the Northeast and the Northwest of the United States.

Also consider the following…
The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

The Clinton administration sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA. When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:

Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.

- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

The first serious terror threat on our soil during the Bush’s Presidency left us with over 3,000 Americans dead.

Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

I'm not a HUGE Clinton fan, but compared to Bush...well...I'll leave that one alone.
i wish you much happiness, with the clintons, lol,dt
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Hey, why let the facts cloud our judgment right? LOL
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Bill Clinton has been sent away to find something better to do than try to defend Senator HC. Attending church is a great distraction for him.

And apparently he catches up on his ZZZZZZZZZs there as well.
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Hey, why let the facts cloud our judgment right? LOL
hey bro you belive what you want, and i am for sure going to do that, lol, i will not ever vote for someone who agrees with abortion and making my taxes higher, end of story, dt
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