Who Decides What is a Rebellious Act...or Not?

Originally Posted by Chan

So, you were saved by works and NOT by grace?

I obeyed Acts 2:38 I repented of my sins, was baptised in the name of Jesus for the remission of my sins and received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
But Faith without works is dead.
Hebrews 13:7
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Hebrews 13: 17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Originally Posted by Titus_2_3

I obeyed Acts 2:38 I repented of my sins, was baptised in the name of Jesus for the remission of my sins and received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
But Faith without works is dead.
Hebrews 13:7
Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Hebrews 13: 17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

It isn't faith that saves us, it's grace that saves us; faith is just the means through which grace saves. The Bible doesn't say "by faith you were saved." Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast" (emphasis mine).

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Chan

It isn't faith that saves us, it's grace that saves us; faith is just the means through which grace saves. The Bible doesn't say "by faith you were saved." Ephesians 2:8-9 tells us, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast" (emphasis mine).

Luke 7:44 - Luke 7:50 (KJV) 44And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
45Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
46My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
48And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
49And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
50And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Luke 7:44 - Luke 7:50 (KJV) 44And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.
45Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
46My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
47Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
48And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.
49And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?
50And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

So, you're ripping this passage out of its context to say that it is OUR FAITH that saves us and NOT God's grace? (NOTE THAT THIS IS A QUESTION, NOT A STATEMENT).

IF SO, THEN....

Ah, yes, the modern gospel of "All you have to do is believe." How many souls will be burning in the lake of fire if that's what you're preaching?

[Michael The Disciple]

Before the thread gets either joked out of existence or to far off topic let me ask this question.

Where is the scripture that says a woman cannot trim her hair? I know where the one is that says long hair is her glory.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Chan

So, you're ripping this passage out of its context to say that it is OUR FAITH that saves us and NOT God's grace? (NOTE THAT THIS IS A QUESTION, NOT A STATEMENT).

IF SO, THEN....

Ah, yes, the modern gospel of "All you have to do is believe." How many souls will be burning in the lake of fire if that's what you're preaching?

It's not out of context at all, and you are quick to jump to conclusions.

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by Annie

If Admin feels the need to move this elsewhere, then so be it...

I have heard all of my life, that when a lady backslides and cuts her hair, then she is 'acting out in rebellion'. Has anyone else ever heard this stated?
Where does this line of thinking come from, and is there BIBLE scripture for it?

I believe the uncut hair doctrine, and have never cut my hair...however, I have good friends that are BUSY in the Kingdom (in Apostolic UPCI churches) that keep their hair trimmed. I cannot say that they are going to Hell for it- but, it's a risk that I am not willing to take...

I have mixed feelings about the hair...there is a certain fear in my heart, when I am tempted to trim some off, in an effort to make it look healthier. Does this fear stem from my HG, or from outer influences? When my daughter cut hers- I felt SOOOOOO sad inside, like a part of me died. I'm serious!!! Why is THAT???? I still feel sad when I see it.

I know I am not alone in my feelings. To those of you that TRIM your hair- did you feel a sense of loss the first time, and then it got easier each time you trimmed it? Or does it bother you each trim???

I don't want this to become a debate- I would like some serious, honest discussion about this subject...

In my opinion, men cannot relate to this particular question that I ask- they have never fought this battle...

Any input??????

I don't remember the first time I trimmed my hair. I never felt a sense of loss and it never bothered me. My only concern was what other church people might think, since many believe it to be wrong.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Annie

Well, I guess this is a 'taboo' subject...not one response from a woman who trims her hair.

I was SO strong about this years ago- and now it's becoming fuzzy and cloudy. I was hoping for some knowledgable input from folks who have 'been there' and 'done that'...42 views and 7 responses- are we afraid of the ambush, ladies??

Thanks anyways!!

Annie,

I use to believe that it was a hell issue. Then I studied the hair doctrine for myself. No longer do I believe it is heaven and hell. However, I do believe that if someone has a conviction against it, they shouldn't do it. I do believe women should have long hair. After all, it is our glory. And it isn't much glory balled up on top of someone's head.

I am UPC. I do trim my hair. My pastor does not preach standards. We have people on the platform and in leadership positions that trim their hair. It is long but trimmed. I personally know pastors in UPC that do not believe it is a heaven and hell issue. I am a UPC pastor's daughter. My husband is a minister. I think the pastors that don't believe it is heaven or hell, just don't deal with it unless asked.

On the other hand, I know plenty of UPC pastors that believe you WILL go to hell for trimming your hair.

No one can decide what is right or wrong for you. You have to put aside everything you have been brainwashed with and decide for yourself. You may come to conclusion that you feel it is wrong to trim it and if so, so be it. Good luck.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Before the thread gets either joked out of existence or to far off topic let me ask this question.

Where is the scripture that says a woman cannot trim her hair? I know where the one is that says long hair is her glory.

Let me know when you find it.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

It's not out of context at all, and you are quick to jump to conclusions.

If it isn't out of context, the Bible contradicts itself. And I didn't draw any conclusions in asking what I asked. Asking questions is not the same as drawing conclusions and I would have expected you to know the difference.