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03-24-2008, 03:59 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by Tina
From the church I attended in the past, yes... people were run off because of standards being pushed.
The church I am currently attending.... No, I don't know of a single person that has left because of standards being pushed on them. The pastor says you invite them to church, Let them receive what they need from God, they will become faithful in attendance and God will lead and guide them in what they need to do otherwise.
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Is this a UPCI pastor?
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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03-24-2008, 04:06 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
It wouldn't matter if the whole church kept it's mouth shut on the issue of "standards".
When a persn visits a "standards church"...they see it written as a law imposed on our women.
No way a person not aquainted with Standards could visit a church that inforces strandards and not have serious questions arise about what is taught in this church.
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exactly. it's not like i have ever once mentioned it to her or course. i don't do that in general unless someone asks me why we do this or that. people just know who and what the pentecostals are and they know it will eventually become an issue if they wanted to join.
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03-24-2008, 04:12 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Personally I think things that are meant for regular saints should be taught on a special church only night. Like a wed night bible study and that the saints should understand this is not a soul winning service.
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agreed. in fact we don't even do that anymore. our focus is about relationship and reaching the lost. can't even remember the last time someone preached standards from the pulpit. i think it was a visiting minister and it didn't go over well with the pastor due to all the visitors. the problem is that this friend of mine lives too far to go to my church and the church in her town is SUPER conservative and probably do preach standards from the pulpit. i'm just worried about what to say/not to say to her. i don't want to make light of standards so to speak but i certainly don't want her to be concerned about that until the Lord decides to deal with her one day....not a pastor.
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03-24-2008, 04:15 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by SavedLou
It's a tough situation. Anyone ever had visitors "run away" b/c of this?
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Yes, many.
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03-24-2008, 04:36 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by SavedLou
agreed. in fact we don't even do that anymore. our focus is about relationship and reaching the lost. can't even remember the last time someone preached standards from the pulpit. i think it was a visiting minister and it didn't go over well with the pastor due to all the visitors. the problem is that this friend of mine lives too far to go to my church and the church in her town is SUPER conservative and probably do preach standards from the pulpit. i'm just worried about what to say/not to say to her. i don't want to make light of standards so to speak but i certainly don't want her to be concerned about that until the Lord decides to deal with her one day....not a pastor.
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Is this a upc?
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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03-24-2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Is this a upc?
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which one? yes both my church and the other church are both upc. why?
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03-24-2008, 04:46 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by SavedLou
which one? yes both my church and the other church are both upc. why?
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Just curious as to whether attitudes and approaches to ministry are changing in the upci. I hope so.
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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03-24-2008, 04:49 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
Standards ARE an issue if you are ever afraid of inviting people to your church because of what they might hear.......
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03-24-2008, 04:50 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Just curious as to whether attitudes and approaches to ministry are changing in the upci. I hope so.
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i hope so as well. in fact i have only been "in" for 9 years and can tell a HUGE difference. that is..in the churches that are open to change for the better. to others it is a closed discussion...no margin of error, etc. fortunately, my pastor is not like that but the other pastor i speak of is old-school allllll the way. no rings, elbow length sleeves, no tv, etc.
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03-24-2008, 04:51 PM
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Re: Should standards be an issue when witnessing?
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Originally Posted by SavedLou
i hope so as well. in fact i have only been "in" for 9 years and can tell a HUGE difference. that is..in the churches that are open to change for the better. to others it is a closed discussion...no margin of error, etc. fortunately, my pastor is not like that but the other pastor i speak of is old-school allllll the way. no rings, elbow length sleeves, no tv, etc.
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I have learned after many years not to let those types bother me (in person at least). In fact they can be fun to "tweak".
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