FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

That wasn't the question. I asked for you to prove that Jeremiah hasn't admonished elements black community strongly to stop being thugs and to get jobs.

and my answer is, you failed to understand my orriginal statement.

when I say that JW needs to start telling young black men to get jobs and marry one woman, I mean he also needs to stop with the victem junk that he is ranting about.

I dont know if he is or is not taking a hardline stance on the ills in the Black community.

I do know he blames white folk and the government for pretty much everything.

my point is he needs to stop with the blame game and stick to personal responsiblility.

doing both is the same as just doing the blame game.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The policies espoused by both Obama and Hillary are drafted straight from the Third Way initiative....a moderate and centrist Democratic group. Don't you realize that it doesn't matter what Democrat is running...the conservative hate media will call them the most liberal EVER! lol

snif snif. the conservitive hate media. what a load of lunacy. Typical liberal rant. "Everybody hates me"

Dude, if you havent noticed Hillary is the one bringing up nasty stuff on Barak. NBC/ABC/CBS have run stories pointing out the failures of these people and they are not exactly conservitives.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

You don't understand Obama's position on the issue. You only know what the right wing hacks are saying about him. Go to the horse's mouth.

if he supports a $7 minimum wage, not only do I understand it, but it precludes him from being elegible for the presidency in my humble opinion.

[bishopnl]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Ah...so Paul was a-political. But most Christians are EXTREME right wing. Hmmmm.

I never said Christians can't have political viewpoints. I said preachers shouldn't use their pulpits for a political soapbox. There's a big difference.

And Christians don't bloc vote for Republicans near as much as say, blacks do for Democrats. So whining about Christians all being right wing nut jobs doesn't buy you any credibility.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

on this point, let me be clear. when republicans become populists, they are no differnt than democrats.

you see what has happened to them. they have lost power in the congress.


if the republcians dont buck up and go back to being concervitives, they wont get power back.

that is no excuse to vote for a liberal democrat.

That is unless one's politics tends to be more liberal. Populism, according to Webster's dictionary, is a political philosophy directed to the needs of the common people and advocating a more equitable distribution of wealth and power. Our elected officials are elected to represent…the people. Here’s a fundamental difference I have seen between political conservatives and liberals; conservatives seem to think that we elect leaders to lead in spite of the people’s will…liberals tend to think that we elect leaders to serve the will of the people. And right now…the Republicans aren’t as populist as you think. A narrow, but growing, majority of the people don’t trust them on issues such as the economy, health care, social security, domestic infrastructure, or even social values. Tell me….how do the Republicans expect to regain power if they are not populist and the people that pay them to represent their interests aren’t pleased with the job they commit to doing? I’d argue that the Republicans are in the hot seat because they’re not populist enough. Their disassociated with the common man and are only focused on the interests of the ultra wealthy…Republican policies are even hurting small business owners. Unless you’re a massive corporation, the Republican policies will stampede you. Most business owners I know are scratching their heads because the Republicans promised to be the pro-business party. Well….small businesses are taking a beating in Ohio and many other areas that were once prosperous. It makes no sense. Oh…but oil companies, military contractors, weapons developers, and insurance companies are reporting record profits. Even a rising number of investors are worried. Bro…the only thing the Republicans have that MIGHT be a something the people trust them to do is national defense. And an increasing number of Americans are starting to see how wreckless they’ve been on this issue too.

Get ready…in November the people will speak at the ballot box. I predict that Obama will decisively defeat McCain.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

(slow clapping)

dems haning their hats on being tuff on television violence? LOL! what a joke! how about being tuff on criminals????

Tough on criminals. America has more individuals incarcerated than any other westernized nation. America also employs the death penalty, unlike most other westernized nations, as often as nations like Iran, Chad, and the Sudan. Bro…tougher on criminals? I know, let’s just pass a law that will put us all on house arrest unless we’re working. LOL Seriously though…most issues regarding crime are state level and local issues. As you know I go to Canada every year and have family in Canada and friends from Europe. A family currently attending our church pastored on Holland and previous to this lived in Italy 12 years. Bro…they are terrified at American society. My brother assured me that if he had children he’d most likely move back to Italy. His wife explained how in her home town, within 20 minutes of Venice, you can walk around town at 3 AM without ANY fear of being attacked or robbed. She thinks America has lost it’s way terribly and her husband, who’s an American, believes that America has grown worse from the time when he was last in the US as opposed to Europe which has become better. Please note…Europe doesn’t have the death penalty and isn’t as “tough” on crime as we are. We’re criminalizing society and creating a society that doesn’t value life, largely because the government doesn’t value life. This will blow your mind, in Norway they don’t execute murders…they send them to independent living communities where they live together and are rehabilitated. They leave the community to work and you never know if you’re passing one of them on the street. After work they just public transportation back to the community. Interestingly…their crime rate is far lower than ours and they have more success in rehabilitating violent criminals. What I was told was that in Norway they believe that by placing a high standard on life and keeping higher standards of living as a government they impact the psyche of the population causing the entire society to hold a higher regard for life and wellbeing. The abortion rate when compared to the US is also lower. In the US the abortion rate is roughly 20 per every 1000 pregnancies. It’s only 13 in Norway…and 8 in Belgium who holds the lowest abortion rate over all. Both nations have an abortion rate lower than we have had, even compared to when abortion was illegal here (and that’s based on maternal morbidity, so the rate was most likely even higher in decades prior to legalization). Please note…both countries are what you would denigrate as being “liberal” and “weak on criminals”. From a “value of life” perspective…that’s not too shabby.

this is almost as good as suggesting that a $7 minimum wage is a moderate centrist idea. Bro, you are funny I will give you that.

If families can’t afford a home, gasoline, and medication…you either care for them or you don’t. The greatest pressure on the average American family is economic.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

and my answer is, you failed to understand my orriginal statement.

when I say that JW needs to start telling young black men to get jobs and marry one woman, I mean he also needs to stop with the victem junk that he is ranting about.

“he also needs to stop”…

Bro…he needs to speak his mind like every other red blooded American. Why is it that conservatives are so bent on stopping people from doing this and saying that? Don’t you realize Jeremiah and other black Americans have had a far different “American experience” than you have? Instead of getting so frustrated because you can’t control how people feel and what they say…bro…seek to understand where they’re coming from and why.

I dont know if he is or is not taking a hardline stance on the ills in the Black community.

That’s my point…you don’t know much at all about him.

I do know he blames white folk and the government for pretty much everything.

No…you know that he gave a controversial sermon in which a 3 minute clip was pretty hard on the American government for its historic oppression of minorities, specifically African American people. Dude…the government was conducting medical experiments on African Americans as late as the 1970’s. I get it…the government gets a free pass on that…how dare a black Democrat like Jeremiah Wright criticize a dehumanizing culture. Ferd, walk a mile in the a black man’s shoes.

my point is he needs to stop with the blame game and stick to personal responsiblility.

And conservatives need to stop their blame game too, learn to manage their money and pay their taxes.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Ferd

snif snif. the conservitive hate media. what a load of lunacy. Typical liberal rant. "Everybody hates me"

Bro…do you listen to anything other than conservative media? Try it for two days. I performed an experiment. I listened to NPR in the mornings and talk radio in the evenings. It took me about two days to realize how outrageous and inflammatory conservative media truly was. No wonder I was angry all the time and my blood pressure was through the roof. I will never go back to letting conservative media slap me around like some dog until I’m in a fighting frenzy so they can turn me loose against liberals.

Dude, if you havent noticed Hillary is the one bringing up nasty stuff on Barak. NBC/ABC/CBS have run stories pointing out the failures of these people and they are not exactly conservitives.

Yep. That’s a separate issue, but you’re right on that one. I read an article that said that Hillary only has a 5% chance of winning the nomination. She’s a power mad loony. Obama might be as liberal as the day is long….but he’s sincere. Hillary’s just after power. If she had any brains or respect for the political process she’d bow out gracefully.

[DividedThigh]

wow i knew there was a breeze from the southest, but that is more wind that i thought, lol,dt

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

wow i knew there was a breeze from the southest, but that is more wind that i thought, lol,dt

I think I'm hearing a broken record.